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Landscape sounds Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:07:32 2013 No.40668358 [Reply] [Original]

Dear /mu/, /lit/ here,

I am trying to improve my reading speed and, odd as it may sound, I require landscape/nature sounds to suppress subvocalization.

By "landscape sounds" I mean, for example, the rustling of leaves in a dense forest, the sound of waves reaching a beach, the calm of a medow with occasional bird chirping, the crackling of ice floes.

Do you know of any artists that have created works mostly including this, preferably works that are longer (10 minutes and more).

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:10:32 2013 No.40668404 File: 12 KB, 225x225, Unknown.jpg [Show reposts] Image reverse search: [iqdb] [google] patrishen owlcore

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:10:17 2013 No.40668411 >>40668358 You know ambient music is a thing, right? That would probably work well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:11:17 2013 No.40668420 >>40668411 >ambient music Yeah, that's what I was looking for. I couldn't remember the term.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:12:18 2013 No.40668427 Gordon Hempton

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:12:02 2013 No.40668439 Listen to the first 2 minutes of every Paysage d'Hiver song. Speaking of which, I would love if there was a video of all the Paysage d'Hiver winter samples.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:13:18 2013 No.40668445 >>40668411 >>40668358 You know Field/Nature Recordings is a thing right? http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Field+Recordings/ http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Nature+Recordings/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:14:02 2013 No.40668458 Merzbow - Merzbient. Also, that thing where you say the words you read in your head is called subvocalization?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:18:47 2013 No.40668500 >>40668420 Suggestions: Brian Eno - Ambient 1 Music for Airports (there are three more in this ambient series) Tangerine Dream - Zeit Harold Budd - In the Mist Those should get you started

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:18:03 2013 No.40668507

>>40668458
>that thing where you say the words you read in your head is called subvocalization?
Correct.

Subvocalization is something that everyone does, because it's part of early child development and greatly helps in learning one's mother tongue.
However, if you are an adult and sufficiently knowledgeable in grammar and vocabulary of a language, it is no longer necessary and actually rather hinders you in understanding and reading fast, because it takes a lot of time and reading slow allows your mind to wander.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:21:18 2013 No.40668540
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>>40668420
avoid so called "ambient" musicians like Aphex Twin that is really just dance music influenced by ambient music, >>40668500 makes good recs, also consider checking out dark ambient like pic related which is usually even less distracting than regular ambient.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:21:03 2013 No.40668546 >>40668507 Any way to repress it, other than just not starting to think about it while it's not happening?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:27:16 2013 No.40668607 >>40668540 Have you ever tried reading to IDM? I find it makes quite nice background noise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:28:48 2013 No.40668623 >>40668404 I can never tell if this is a meme or not. Is this actually good?

>>	Mr.Fagatron Sat Oct 12 08:29:16 2013 No.40668640 File: 346 KB, 2448x3264, GmwcK4O.jpg [Show reposts] Image reverse search: [iqdb] [google] >>40668623 It's literally just the sound of owls. Do you like owls? you'll love it. If not then you're probably gonna think it's shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:30:03 2013 No.40668653 >>40668623 >Is this actually good? It's the fourth-best field recordings album out there. Not as good as Symphony of the Planets, the Jonestown Death Tape and Conet Project, but still really great.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:30:03 2013 No.40668654

>>40668546
An easy way to repress subvocalization is simply reading faster and using your fingers to guide your eyes, for example by setting your finger next to the line or under the word you are reading.
Now, this may sound a bit childish, because you've probably been taught NOT to use your fingers when reading, but it actually works, because guiding your eyes prevents regression (or "jumping back"), and if you've done it for some time and become more proficient in reading fast, you will be able to stop using your fingers again.

...which you probably should.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:34:32 2013 No.40668690
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>>40668640
I don't know. I've never had occasion to spend any length of time listening to owls.
>>40668653
I'm gonna guess you forgot pic related.
>>40668654
Huh. I might try that, I'm normally woefully slow when reading and it would be nice to actually make progress on my backlog.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:35:02 2013 No.40668702 >>40668690 >I'm gonna guess you forgot pic related. Not as good as any of those 4.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:37:32 2013 No.40668711

Field recordings are not music. I have no problem with them being discussed on /mu/ but pretending it's music is just silly. It doesn't fit the perceived definition of music. It's not orchestrated sound created by man except for speeches, and while you could argue that speeches involve getting your message across is an emotionally appealing, catchy way, at the end the primary purpose is still to deliver a clear message.

If we're going to use "music" as a synonym for "sound" what's the point of having the word "music" in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:38:32 2013 No.40668718 >>40668711 Music is what is considered music by either the artist or the critic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:38:02 2013 No.40668722 >>40668711 Are two field recordings played after each other music? What about two recordings in a loop?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:38:02 2013 No.40668724 >>40668718 noooo

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:39:48 2013 No.40668730 >>40668711 >inb4 thread derailed

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:40:17 2013 No.40668733 >>40668724 Why not? Hanatrash recorded a guy taking a shit and called it music. A label that only releases music released it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:40:47 2013 No.40668736 >>40668711 Music is art made from sound and silences.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:41:32 2013 No.40668742

>>40668718
If someone is very skilled at drumming their fingers but isn't aware of them doing it, and it's something I'd find really musically appealing but never get the chance to hear, is it not music? If you answer no then you're saying if a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it it makes no noise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:41:02 2013 No.40668751 >>40668722 >What about two recordings in a loop? one* recording in a loop

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:42:33 2013 No.40668755 >>40668736 Made. Not naturally occuring.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:42:47 2013 No.40668757 >>40668742 If you answer no then you're saying if a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it it makes no music. ftfy

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:43:33 2013 No.40668768 >>40668742 >it's something I'd find really musically appealing You answered your own question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:43:33 2013 No.40668770 >>40668755 Are recordings naturally occuring?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:43:33 2013 No.40668772 That happy fox is so cute. I would pat it on the head and wish it good luck in its endeavors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:43:16 2013 No.40668774 >>40668768 But I don't know what it sounds like. It's hypothetical. I am not aware of its existence and therefore I can not be a critic of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:44:32 2013 No.40668779 >>40668755 Recording and playing them makes them "made".

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:44:17 2013 No.40668789 >>40668702 Well then it must be amazing. Haven't heard conet project either but IMO voyager recordings>4 rooms > Jonestown > rec01> orange twin

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:45:33 2013 No.40668794 >>40668770 They're recordings of naturally occurring things. >>40668779 You're not "making" the sequences of sound. You are merely preserving them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:45:33 2013 No.40668795 >>40668774 You judged it by saying you think you'd find it appealing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:46:34 2013 No.40668806 >>40668789 Voyager > Conet > Jonestown > Owls > 01 > 4 rooms

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:47:48 2013 No.40668820 >>40668795 I can't judge something I do not know exists. I'm saying if an artist makes a piece of art, makes it subconsciously, and nobody is around to view it, doesn't mean it isn't art.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:50:47 2013 No.40668847 >>40668820 I'm not >>40668718, but I sort of see how you are thinking. I think it wouldn't be art, since nobody wants it to be.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:52:47 2013 No.40668873

>>40668794
>They're recordings of naturally occurring things.
So is a CD saving the

>>40668794
>You're not "making" the sequences of sound.
You are limiting the sequences of sound. You are orchestrating a start and an end point.
Especially if you played two recordings, one after the other, it'd obviously be orchestrated. This becomes more apparent if you decrease the size of units of recordings (instead of 10 minutes of sounds of leaves, one wind gush of five seconds) and increase the number of recordings played after each other (six of them creating a rythm).

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 08:56:03 2013 No.40668924 >>40668873 So is a CD saving the Saving the what? Music? Because the CD is playing back music. It did not materialise naturally within the CD. The CD preserved music and is playing it back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:00:03 2013 No.40668961 >>40668924 If you watched a nature film with only diegetic sound, would the sound be music? Or if I went outside and recorded on my phone? No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:02:33 2013 No.40668976 >>40668961 >If you watched a nature film with only diegetic sound, would the sound be music? >Or if I went outside and recorded on my phone? >No. You just said field recordings aren't music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:02:48 2013 No.40668979 >>40668961 Neither of the 2 are intended to be music, so they obviously aren't.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:03:17 2013 No.40668982

>>40668806
I think you just don't like 4 rooms. Maybe it's because I fund raise for a Chernobyl charity but I think its brilliant. I wish more people would make field recordings like that where you turn data into sound. I'm still waiting for someone to come out with a sonic representation of the sea floor. Every field recording thread I see someone asks for it and it's such a cool idea but nobody ever has anything like it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:04:47 2013 No.40669002 >>40668982 I don't like it. You can try importing big files into audio programs. Executeables and compressed files usually only generate while noise, though.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:09:32 2013 No.40669047

>>40669002
If I had the money to buy a decent DAW, a boat that could take me out along the mid Atlantic ridge, sonar equipment accurate enough to measure the small differences of the relief of the sea floor and the time to learn how to use any of this stuff I would make the best field recording of a geological location you've ever heard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:10:03 2013 No.40669064 >>40669047 So go do it man. Sounds neat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:17:32 2013 No.40669127 File: 21 KB, 500x500, ambient_with_field_recording.jpg [Show reposts] Image reverse search: [iqdb] [google] GOD TIER COMING THROUGH

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:19:33 2013 No.40669151 >>40668976 I know. I was making that point? I am not the guy who was saying that they are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:19:17 2013 No.40669161 >>40668711 Defining music as something other than sound really suppresses creativity

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:20:17 2013 No.40669163 >>40669151 So you agree field recordings are not music. Why are you arguing then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:20:46 2013 No.40669166 >>40668979 But what if they sound exactly the same as a field recording that is 'intended to be music'? The intention of the person recording does not make it music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:21:02 2013 No.40669179 >>40669161 Then why have the term "music"? >>40669166 Well if it's not a naturally occurring sound that involved skill and creativity to compose, sure. It's music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:23:16 2013 No.40669196 >>40669179 Because 'music' implies that it was released/made to listen to as music

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:24:33 2013 No.40669215 >>40669163 I was 'arguing' with the guy implying that they are. The one the person I quoted had been replying to, I believe. I think I accidentally quoted the wrong person but people were saying that it was in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:24:47 2013 No.40669218 >>40669196 So field recordings are music but suddenly live performances of those field recordings aren't? Get out of here man, you're full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:32:47 2013 No.40669307 File: 102 KB, 456x453, rain018large.jpg [Show reposts] Image reverse search: [iqdb] [google] http://archive.org/details/rain018 Just over 4 hours of ambient drone and rain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:40:03 2013 No.40669391 File: 65 KB, 567x562, kill_me_baby_005_yasuna_consider_the_following.jpg [Show reposts] Image reverse search: [iqdb] [google] >>40669307 Ananta is a Sanskrit word meaning "without end".

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:41:48 2013 No.40669400

>>40669179
Which side are you arguing? You're not the person I was replying to, right? I was asking whether field recordings (which are apparently music because they are 'intended to be') and a recording that sounds exactly the same (and is not intended to be music) are any different and if the prior should be considered music (although the latter, identical example isn't).
I agree with what you said and it doesn't sound like it was coming from him, haha.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:50:32 2013 No.40669500 >>40669307 Ohh this sounds cool. I love reading in the rain.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:54:17 2013 No.40669549

Hey guys, I have access to some field recording gear, and I live in the middle of downtown Philadelphia. There are some bizarre sounds out here, incredible drones and strange cacophonies. Should I record them, and would anyone be interested in listening to lightly processed field recordings or must they be presented cleanly?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:57:18 2013 No.40669585 File: 18 KB, 300x300, LPCCover.jpg [Show reposts] Image reverse search: [iqdb] [google] >>40669549 A la Paul McCartney?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:01:48 2013 No.40669623 >>40669549 Sounds like it could be interesting. What exactly are you planning to record though?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:01:02 2013 No.40669629 >>40669585 More a la a twenty minute recording of me walking down the street with certain parts accentuated by varying amounts of compression, possibly some delay and subtle phase-shifting

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:05:03 2013 No.40669686

>>40669623
Trains, sirens, traffic, voices, muffled music coming out of cars and clubs and houses, various unidentifiable roars and hums. Edited unobtrusively but in a manner that presents a sense of narrative and tension and release, it's not going to be all that academic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:07:47 2013 No.40669706 >>40669686 >>40669629 This sounds cool. Please proceed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:10:32 2013 No.40669749 >>40669400 They are both music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:12:18 2013 No.40669774 >>40669749 Field recordings are not music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:14:49 2013 No.40669825 >>40669774 Why? What's your definition of music?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:15:04 2013 No.40669848 >>40669825 >Why? Fuck off. Read the thread. I'm not arguing over this again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:16:34 2013 No.40669858 >liking mechanical drones so I'm not alone

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