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38648237 No.38648237 [Reply] [Original]

If you were genuine in your love for music.. why would you listen to new music? The majority of it is trash that will be forgotten in 100 years. It hasn't had enough time to benefit from years of scholarship and study. Only the fashionable stuff reaches your ears through RYM, P4k, Discogs, etc.

Don't you love music enough to save your listening time only for the very best?

>> No.38648267
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38648267

Don't respond, not even once

>> No.38648274

you know you can listen to both right?
sage 4 autism

>> No.38648297

>>38648237
cute b8 so i'll just wreck it here

>once upon a time the things that are considered "classics" and the "very best" were actually brand new
>what if something out right now will become the classics of the future?
>rather than keep music and art and literature stagnant and a festering shitpool like people with the view you are posting OP, some of us would like to continue to see things evolve

>> No.38648300

>>38648267
Explain what's unreasonable about my premise.

>>38648274
You listen to more than 1 mp3 at the same time?

>> No.38648303

g8 b8 m8

>> No.38648311

>he doesn't understand the role of sci-fi literature as means of protest in times of censorship

>> No.38648329

>>38648297
>once upon a time the things that are considered "classics" and the "very best" were actually brand new
Yes but these things weren't folk/popular music. They were relatively obscure in their own time for that reason.

>what if something out right now will become the classics of the future?
It will be in contemporary art music, not popular music.

>rather than keep music and art and literature stagnant and a festering shitpool like people with the view you are posting OP, some of us would like to continue to see things evolve
Actually your popular music which is always decades behind the curve is what stagnates music, not art music.

>> No.38648346

>>38648311
Then why does scifi appeal mostly to neckbear fedoralords? You really think these are the people who will start any kind of revolutions? They're lazy and spoilt.

>> No.38648354

>>38648329
>Mozart or Beethoven
>obscure in their own time

You're adorable

The implications that I'm talking about popular music at all is also pretty amusing

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>>38648237
wow you really enlightened my mind with this image, I think I'll start learning french and german as soon as this post is over so i can understand opera booklets and stuff

>> No.38648386

>>38648237

kewlio

>> No.38648389

>>38648354
I didn't call Mozart of Beethoven obscure. I just stated that art-music was never for the uncouth masses. It was for the musically educated people.

Folk music, like popular music today, is lyrics-based. Because the instrumentals are so uninteresting that they need obvious emotions and narratives to draw the listener in. E.g. "four walls and adobe slabs/I'm so humble and fatherly".

>> No.38648404

>>38648354
It's a reasonable assumption that you mean popular music. Out of all the recent music discussed here, the vast majority is popular. I wonder if there has even been any discussion about 2013 art music on here. Not that there needs to be, the art world doesn't rely on hype.

>> No.38648415
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38648415

I have a friend of mine that is trained in Opera and Theater. She could name you any classical piece and virtually every play and opera known to man. Yet she likes to listen to top 40 radio and her favorite artist is Macklemore. Just because you're "cultured" does not mean you have a very expansive taste in music. Some people just don't like /mu/-core all that much because it does nothing but give you something to enjoy by yourself, and the oddity isn't necessary.

As for me, I love the shit out of all kinds of music, whether it be Ticktockman or The Mars Volta, Justice or Oneotrix Point Never, and so on. People just have different tastes, and it doesn't really make them a pleb for liking one particular thing out of all the metric fucktons of bands and songs that are out there. Classical makes you no different than anyone listening to "pop music". It just means you listen to something else.

TL;DR: OP is close-minded, under-educated cancer

>> No.38648419

>>38648346
>complains about neckbeard fedoras
>has anime pic

>puts shakespeare in patrician

I think you are the neckbeard fedorafag buddy.

>> No.38648432

Hi Ame !ZTZ.rcunH2,

Welcome to the filter!

>> No.38648433
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38648433

>>38648389
"They were relatively obscure in their own time for that reason."

As a fan of all styles of music including classical, you're either a pretty decent troll or a real smug shit

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38648436

>>38648300
Classical music is really pleb, you arent fooling anyone

>> No.38648448

>>38648389
>>38648404
it wasn't for musically educated people. Much of it was made for dancing and the symphonies were made for large audiences.

Also I bet you don't even play an instrument.

>> No.38648450

>>38648404
>art world doesn't rely on hype

DO HO HO HO

>> No.38648451

don't respond to the gr8 b8

all fields

>> No.38648458

>>38648415
>personal anecdote
>I listen to all kinds of music [lists only music that falls under the rock idiom]
>OP is close-minded
Actually, you just exposed your own close-mindedness, especially in your second paragraph.

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>>38648389
Folk music, like popular music today, is lyrics-based. Because the instrumentals are so uninteresting that they need obvious emotions and narratives to draw the listener in.

>> No.38648470

>>38648237
>existential
The troll was hidden on a deeper level.

>> No.38648471

>>38648433
Are you implying all these court musicians were well-known by the peasantry?

>> No.38648476

>>38648458
Two can play this game.
>personal anecdote
>I listen to all kinds of music [lists only music that falls under the classical idiom]
>Anon is close-minded

>> No.38648489

>>38648458
Justice and Oneotrix Point Never aren't rock if your gonna use the classic four-genre system they fall under popular music what are you doing

>> No.38648500

if yr gonna take the b8 at least sage

>> No.38648501

>>38648458
>music under rock idiom
>mentions Oneotrix Point Never and Justice
Okay, this thread really is just bait, then. Especially since you only pulled one piece out of my entire counter statement.

>> No.38648502

>>38648476
>personal anecdote
I never made one.

>I listen to all kinds of music [lists only music that falls under the classical idiom]
I never said I listen to all kinds of music, nor did I say that I only listen to classical.

>Anon is close-minded
Obviously.

>> No.38648515

>>38648237
>implying your opinion is worth a shit

>> No.38648517

>>38648471
You know nothing of music, film, or literature.

Go back to Reddit kid.

>> No.38648519

>>38648502

Yo do you play an instrument I really want to know

>> No.38648543

music is expression through sound

why listen to 'art' music, when they use the same instruments all the time?

>> No.38648560

>>38648237
>Seventh Seal
>Art house Film

>> No.38648562

>>38648489
>>38648489
>Justice and Oneotrix Point Never aren't rock
They fall within the rock performance/distribution idiom that was codified in the 1960s.

The rock idiom is basically the post-war music that communicated itself universally through the studio albums/singles scheme. Rock, electronica, hiphop, etc. Basically all the music /mu/ listens to.

>they fall under popular music what are you doing
There's more to popular music than the rock idiom: jazz, musicals, early R&B etc. All the artists that anon listed were within the rock idiom only though.

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>>38648237
>Puts a film that's existential in the art section
>Puts existential literature in popular section

Wow you're fucking dumb

>> No.38648578

>>38648502
>I never made one.
What is the OP post
>I never said I listen to all kinds of music, nor did I say that I only listen to classical.
But it is implied, unless you want to consider yourself a pleb listening to popular music.


An anime reaction image implies that you watch anime too (or that you are a Lanced Jack wannabe). If so, how is K-Pop in anyway patrician then?

>> No.38648579

>>38648543
fuckin' this

>> No.38648593

>>38648543
>>38648579
>why listen to 'art' music, when they use the same instruments all the time?
Art music uses more instruments and techniques than popular music.

>> No.38648599

>>38648570
>seventh seal
>existential
It's expressionist.

>> No.38648601

tell me about some modern, relevant, western academic music that was composed in or after the 00s.

rest of it though - lol, you people are worse than dad rockers.

>> No.38648604

>>38648562
>hip-hop
>electronica
>jazz
>musicals
>early R&B

>these are all now rock music

This is actually making me laugh now

>jazz starts popping up in the 1920s
>R&B comes from Negro spirituals sung since 1800s

BUT YEAH THEYRE TOTALLY ROCK

>> No.38648612

>>38648593
so, you agree that...

bleep bloops > art music

>> No.38648613

>>38648578
>What is the OP post
An explanation of the difference between art and popular music, as shown through popular examples, rather than personal anecdotes.

>> No.38648617

--------------------------------------------
PLEB LINE
everyone above this line is a pleb

>> No.38648625

>(wine bar)
fuck off

>> No.38648628

>>38648237
>Humphries translation of Metamorphoses
filtered

>> No.38648632

>>38648612
EDMplebs are some of the most solipsistic in the world because they don't seem to realize that even the most "cutting-edge DJs" they can think of are 20-30 years behind the curve of _actual_ electronic music development.

Honestly, to hear the way some of you get indignant when I bring this up. You don't realize that you're listening to the most populist, retrogressive, kindergarten exponent of the "style" you pretend to champion, and the worst part is the irony is completely lost on you. Classical composers have always paved the way in electronic music.

>> No.38648636

>>38648617
Patrician Line
everyone below this line is a patrician
>--------------------------------------------

>> No.38648638

>>38648604
nice reading comprehension

>> No.38648650

>>38648604
Try re-reading my post and see where you went wrong.

>> No.38648665

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PATRICIAN ZONE ENDS HERE

>> No.38648668

I'd much rather be on the left side thank you

>> No.38648677

>>38648668
why?

>> No.38648687

>>38648613
The recap section of the OP is almost entirely opinion based as a picture of Animal Collective was thrown in as bait.

You then put at the bottom "So why don't you listen to classical /mu/?" further implying that classical music is all you listen to (but i guess you dropped trolling about that).

>> No.38648692

>>38648237
hahaha holy fuck

>> No.38648695

>>38648632
making random bleeps with generators and using deliberately obscure structures is just try-hard

True pioneers take an existing form and subvert it. The Techno innovators Kraftwerk/Detroit/Berlin etc. were able to infiltrate the mainstream, move the people but also push boundaries and find new forms. That's true genius.

>> No.38648701

I know this thread is bait but holy fuck @ all the insecure anons ITT.

>> No.38648702
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>tfw pleb

>> No.38648708

>>38648562
first off: that's just not true. Electronic dance music came out of the death of disco and grew into something way different than rock. Most people separate music into jazz, pop, classical, and avantgarde music. You seem to lump everything that's not classical into a rock or pop category.

Also you haven't answered my question on whether or not you play an interment, so I'm going to conclude that you don't, meaning you have a complete lack of knowledge when you seem to keep a knowledge of music in such high regard.

>> No.38648720

>>38648687
examples of bait in the OP
>Pop music for dumbs/poors/losers
>Art for intellectuals
>why would you listen to new music? The majority of it is trash that will be forgotten in 100 years.

>> No.38648725

>>38648695
Kraftwerk were the Beatles of the electronic music realm.

EDMtards being pathetic as usual eh?

>> No.38648734

>>38648638
>>38648650
okay okay got a little riled up in my typing so I goof'd a bit

It doesn't change the fact that what you're saying is all moot.

If the "rock idiom" is releasing albums and singles and it being done post-war, then there is effectively no modern art music, meaning the evolution of art music has stopped and will not begin again since every artist releases music in some form or another

And if they don't release it, they perform and people now capture it with video recorders.

>> No.38648738

>>38648701
Someone who thinks that replies to him = trolling will get over it and realize its false once s/he hits the age of 16

>> No.38648739

All joking aside, life is too short for Stockhausen

>> No.38648744

>>38648687
>The recap section of the OP is almost entirely opinion based as a picture of Animal Collective was thrown in as bait.
Are you implying that Animal Collective are technically impressive musicians and singers?

>You then put at the bottom "So why don't you listen to classical /mu/?" further implying that classical music is all you listen to
No, that's terrible logic
>1. 'You should really listen to X'
>2. 'X is all that I listen to'
Your leap from 1 to 2 is uncalled for.

>> No.38648747

>>38648677
because i like fun

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>>38648237
made me chuckle at the thought of someone taking this post seriously. try to make it more subtle next time, also change your trip. Now everyone knows you're a shitposter, and not even a particularly competent one.

>> No.38648757

Change 'rock' to 'pop' and you've got an idiom of post war music but that doesn't troll the EDMtards and rapfags as well.

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>>38648702
need some help there?

>> No.38648772

>>38648738
People remain butthurt over the OP even after all these threads get over as proven by all the ironic shitposters making those Vladislav Delay/Anti-Scruffy/"if it's not EDM it's basement-dwelling wankery" posts and pastas though.

>> No.38648779

>>38648744
Confirmed for not musician and certainly not singer

>> No.38648784
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38648784

>>38648767
yes please show me the way

>> No.38648786

>there will never be an original, witty or funny tripfag on /mu/ ever again

>> No.38648787

>>38648748
>pleb can't handle the truth
bet you listen to music for MUH feels too.

>> No.38648797

>>38648744
>>38648779
seriously if you don't play an instrument you are a basic bitch, Ame

>> No.38648815

>>38648237
what non-Western classical music do you recommend OP?

>> No.38648821

>>38648797
she played guitar on vocaroo once

>> No.38648822

>>38648787
I bet you think anybody cares what you think too.

>> No.38648826

>>38648744
please look at this since i forgot to put my whole argument in a post >>38648720

>Your leap from 1 to 2 is uncalled for.
Thats because you aren't completing 1
>1. "You should really listen to X cause anything else is for plebs"
>2. "X is all that i listen to"

You would be retarded to think that the leap from 1 to 2 can't happen

>> No.38648830

>>38648708
>first off: that's just not true
yes it is.

>Electronic dance music came out of the death of disco and grew into something way different than rock.
EDM came from disco and rock, you're right. But both disco and rock fall under the rock idiom. Even though EDM and disco are different genres.

>Most people separate music into jazz, pop, classical, and avantgarde music
Where does romanian folk music come in this scheme? Just admit you don't know what you're talking about..

>You seem to lump everything that's not classical into a rock or pop category.
Untrue.

>Also you haven't answered my question on whether or not you play an interment, so I'm going to conclude that you don't, meaning you have a complete lack of knowledge when you seem to keep a knowledge of music in such high regard.
Personal attacks are very immature of you. But yes, I can play guitars.

>> No.38648832
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38648832

rock is dead

>> No.38648833

>>38648822
Obviously you do since you had the need to respond.

>> No.38648838

>>38648702
Charles Avison, William Boyce, John Bull, Robert Carver, John Dunstable
there, now you can pretend to be cool and have a knowledge of early British art music

>> No.38648842

>>38648830
>But both disco and rock fall under the rock idiom

How?

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>>38648747
/thread

>> No.38648851

>>38648599
CLOSE ENOUGH

>> No.38648862
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38648862

reply 2 this if u would pet this qt duk

>> No.38648865
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38648865

>that one guy who can't enjoy music unless his favourite music reviewers also liked it and whether he can justify it being 'technically proficient enough' for his refined ears.
>that one guy who's self esteem is so low he can't enjoy things without other people validating it for him.

You poor, poor soul.

>> No.38648877

>>38648720
You're denying an IQ/economic status gap between popular and art?

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/music-makes-you-dumb-intelligent/

>why would you listen to new music? The majority of it is trash that will be forgotten in 100 years
This shouldn't be a controversial statement either. Time is the biggest filter of rubbish in the arts.

>> No.38648878

>>38648862
d'aaaaaawwww, lil sleepy duck

>> No.38648898

>>38648734
>If the "rock idiom" is releasing albums and singles and it being done post-war, then there is effectively no modern art music, meaning the evolution of art music has stopped and will not begin again since every artist releases music in some form or another
1. that wasn't my definition
2. art music is disseminated by notation, not studio albums.

>> No.38648902
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>>38648862
would make peking duck with chowmein and fried veggies with/10

>> No.38648907

The funniest part about all of this is that the image was made by an anime fan. An anime fan who uses a tripcode and thinks he's sophisticated and intellectual. It's all too funny, thanks for the laugh, OP.

>> No.38648909

>>38648862
10/10 would cuddle

>> No.38648911

>>38648274
>using sage as a downvote

toplel

>> No.38648914

>>38648865
that feel

>> No.38648920

>>38648747
Are you implying art music isn't fun?

Can't you just admit it's because you're too dumb/poor/loser to appreciate music that isn't escapist and simple?

>> No.38648929
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>>38648237
There have always been shit albums. Those albums never saw the light of day and they got pruned from our attention. However, the ones who did stand the test of time lived on, creating the illusion that music was better way back in the day.

If you lived in the 80s you probably would've thought the music of your time was shit.

>> No.38648934

>>38648757
>pop didn't exist before WW2!

>> No.38648937

Lift your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven>Strauss' Waltzes

>> No.38648943

>>38648934
nope

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>>38648862

>> No.38648949
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>>38648784
:3

>> No.38648950

guys I really like Vladislav Delay please don't hate on him because of the silly OP

much thanks

>> No.38648963
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38648963

>>38648862
That's one cute motherfucking duck, man.

>> No.38648968

Listening to art music all the time is a waste. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

>> No.38648969

>>38648830
it's not a personal attack. I've played tuba in a symphony orchestra which gives me a perspective that you don't have when studying classical music. By playing a bit of guitar you don't have nearly the training to understand WHY Beethoven's symphonies are so spectacular. It seems to me you have read a bunch ABOUT music. But not actually how it's made. And that is the greatest fallacy I think one could make about music, because it denies you that crucial knowledge.

Also it would fall under 'traditional folk' and under 'pop' if it was made after 1880. I should have pointed out that traditional folk is also considered a blanket genre.

>>38648949
>CLT
now nobody will take you seriously

>> No.38648974

>>38648815
Do you mean classical music from outside of the west? Is Russia part of the west?

Or do you mean any music that isn't western classical?

>> No.38648982

>>38648950
ok bby

>> No.38648990

>>38648826
>1. "You should really listen to X cause anything else is for plebs"
If you think pop music covers everything that isn't classical, then you are close-minded.

>> No.38649003

>>38648838
Don't see the point in limiting him to only "early" and only "British"

>> No.38649011

>>38648990
>

>> No.38649023

>>38648862
:3

>> No.38649032

>>38648877
If you took someone who actively listened to Bethoven and someone who actively listened to Lil' Wayne, you would find that they will be raised in different environments that can effect their IQ.

>Time is the biggest filter of rubbish in the arts.
Yeah, everyone knows most of Bethoven's works on hand since he remains the most popular today.

Even from around the top of that IQ list, would you consider Sufjan Stevens pleb becuase he isn't bethoven?

>> No.38649040

>>38648990
Please tell me the genres of music that you like.

>> No.38649050

Classical music is the folk music of the elite. Most commissioned classical works were paid for by nobility or churches.

The only thing that separates it from any other form of music is its academic validation, perpetuated by universities funded primarily by the elite.

Classical music is wonderful, but to elevate it so highly above anything else only reflects your willingness to buy into a capitalistic, elitist agenda.

>> No.38649056

>>38648949
tbh i dont really know how to approach listening to a lot of classical music. like I don't really feel equipped to appreciate it properly.

>> No.38649061

>>38648237
>>>/a/ fucking weaboo

>> No.38649070

could you not lump the seventh seal in with this
thanx

>> No.38649079

>>38649050
Serious music is the most nuanced, eclectic, perfect music. All the """advancements""" you see in your popular muzak? yes, done to death with much more finesse and depth in the serious music sphere decades or centuries ago. It just can't compete. The display of knowledge is astoundingly bigger in serious music than in another other music. It's music for the patrician, for the cultured mind. The fact that some plebeians try to "appreciate" it on a gut level is why they are plebeians. They are missing the true beauty and subtlety. Like reading a perfect theorem. The inner workings that make their music so much more advanced and worth of respect than anything penned by a popular musikian.

Patrician music is music of considerable intellectual finesse and technical considerations. The fact that intellectuals gravitate towards it is explained because it's more intellectually stimulating, more patrician. it's not a coincidence AT ALL.

It's music that only the utterly select intelligentsia fully comprehends and appreciates. It's like high philosophy or high mathematics. There is pedestrian mathematics (the mathematics that engineers use) and there is pedestrian philosophy (the philosphy plebeians like english majors know). A pure mathematician, obviously a patrician, gravitates towards highly stimulating, advanced and abstract mathematics.

Classical music is so evidently superior to all other kinds of music, yet we keep lowering the standards when we talk about other types of music, to avoid the uncomfortable situation where the butt rock dude or the druggy EDM boy gets anal pained when they are told the great masters are better than their shitty hedonistic hero.

>> No.38649090

>>38649079
>>38649050
Instead of white guilt, in the music world there is "classical" guilt. We keep lowering the standards for other kinds of music to compensate and preserve our dream of marxist culturalism. Of perfect musical relativism. Guess what? It isn't true and the compositional talent and imagination displayed, which is all that counts in the end when we have to say what is worth being saved and what not, is infinitely superior in classical music than in any other form of music.

If your shitty pop muzak is an 8 what the fuck are Beethoven's late string quartets? a 400? most music is barely a 1 to 3, the Beatles fall in here and so do most other popular music with very few exceptions that reach a 4, even a 5. Bartok string quartets would be a 6, 2 degrees of magnitude higher you have works by Brahms and other great masters. Then 9 and 10 are reserved for the highest achievements of human race like Beethoven's late string quartets or his Missa Solemnis or Mass in B minor by Bach or his Brandenburg Concertos.

Patrician music: Serious music. Intended to be listened to carefully, thoroughly dissected, must be absorbed with all of one's intelligence and knowledge, incredibly technical and nuanced implications at play.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_music

Plebeian music: Popular music. Low-brow, vulgar, unrefined, escapist, meant to be interpreted and read with the body and not with the mind, as intellectual as a pulp magazine, effectively ambient music.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music

>> No.38649099

>>38649090
>>38649079
>>38649050
To keep elaborating on the differences that make serious music simply better and of a higher intellectual stature, consider the mediums in which serious music is disseminated. Staff paper, notations. Purposely so, it validates and reassures a lot of what patrician music stands for. Accesibility for anyone to perform and record. Benefits deep intellectual analysis of every bar of music, no bullshit allowed, all is there in the staff paper. The emphasis is on the actual music, not in how it's recorded or performed.

In short, again serious music displays a level of maturity and intellectualism that popular muzak can only dream of achieving..

>> No.38649116

>>38648470

So I'm not the only one who saw that.

Anyway, OP fails to recognize that modern art music is getting ever closer to the experimental music of England not that long ago (see Xenakis) and the only modern composers that could fall into "contemporary art music" contribute just as much to stagnation as contemporary musicians in any genre.

If we knew what the "future classics" were going to be right now then OP would have an argument. The fact of the matter is that there is music none of us nor any of the critics have heard, which may be far more influential than Phillip Glass or Chatham.

Musical understanding extends past dissection of notation. To keep art music the same as it has been is to discourage timbrel, lyrical, and compositional experimentation.

The future of music is not more string quartets or conventional symphonies. We're looking at something far more interesting.

>> No.38649137

>still giving a shit about when something was made

>> No.38649138
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38649138

classical music is for fucking squares L0L

i take it u dont get out much or socialize at all outside of 4chan. Go ahead and try to play your classical music to anyone and they'll laugh at your face before you can even tip your fedora.

Its boring and incredibly simple. Can't even dance to it. Shit sucks. Get over it.

>> No.38649144

What the fuck guys.

This is like a shitty Quentin and this thread has 100+ replies?

Seriously, what the fuck guys?

>> No.38649145
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38649145

>this thread

>> No.38649161

>>38649138
>can't even dance to it
>what is a waltz

Nice counter-troll/10

>> No.38649166

>implying any music is worth listening to

holy fucking shit literally biggest pleb in the world right now

>> No.38649167

Would you consider Alkan patrician?

>> No.38649175
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38649175

>>38648237
>Camus
>Plebeian

>> No.38649199

>>38649003
because that's cool, unlike mid-20th century German
(which is bad)

>> No.38649202

>>38649175
camus sucks

>> No.38649203

>>38649175
that's the only thing the OP got right

>> No.38649215

Alright guys, OP has left the thread.

This is now a thread to enjoy all kinds of music.

What are you guys listening to? Im currently listening to some Talking Heads

>> No.38649217

>>38649167
Alkan's not even remotely patrish
he's like a wanking robot made in a piano factory based on Liszt

I mean he's really good but still

>> No.38649230

is not music already an Art? why do you put again the Art after music?
2/10

>> No.38649233

>>38649161
lol implying that boring shit is even fun to dance to

>> No.38649242

>>38649161
>implying waltz is legit dancing

what kind of gayboi are u

>> No.38649250

>>38649233
>>38649242
muh adhd

>> No.38649258

>>38649099
>To keep elaborating on the differences that make serious music simply better and of a higher intellectual stature, consider the mediums in which serious music is disseminated. Staff paper, notations. Purposely so, it validates and reassures a lot of what patrician music stands for. Accesibility for anyone to perform and record. Benefits deep intellectual analysis of every bar of music, no bullshit allowed, all is there in the staff paper. The emphasis is on the actual music, not in how it's recorded or performed.

This is the most limiting factor holding classical music back. Or at least dividing it into tonal and avant garde.

Staff notation is as limiting to music as using Roman numerals was to maths.

Trying to write down sounds when the technology for recording is available is like trying to describe a painting through a telephone conversation when its possible to send an email containing a picture.

>> No.38649263

>>38649250
what?

>> No.38649278
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38649278

>>38649138
top lek

That's because you don't live in the right social circle, mate. Most parties I hold or go to have classical music; we discuss literature,classical music, politics and philosophy while drinking. That's what being not part of the proletarii looks like.


By the way, you should see me dance naked to Rameau's Tambourin.

>> No.38649279

>>38649250
rather have adhd than GAYdhd

>> No.38649295

The fact that so many tryhards still name Karlheinz Stockhausen as being amongst "the greatest or most significant or most influential" 20th century composers ever only tells you how far """avant-garde""" music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Emo critics rank the highly controversial Indian Summer over classical musicians who were highly popular in malls around America. """Avant-garde""" critics are still blinded by edge: Stockhausen tried harder than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore he must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, emo critics grow up listening to a lot of emo music of the past. """Avant-garde""" critics are often totally ignorant of the classical music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Stockhausen did anything worth of being saved.

>> No.38649308

>>38649295
*emo musicians who were

>> No.38649322
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>>38649278
no im pretty sure i live in a normal social circle with normal people who have normal music tastes lol

>> No.38649325

>>38649295
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Avant-garde""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>> No.38649333

>>38649278
Can I be your friend?

Where do you live?

>> No.38649338

>>38648842
They fall within the rock performance/distribution idiom that was codified in the 1960s.

The rock idiom is basically the post-war music that communicated itself universally through the studio albums/singles scheme. Rock, electronica, hiphop, etc. Basically all the music /mu/ listens to.

There's more to popular music than the rock idiom: jazz, musicals, early R&B etc. All the artists that anon listed were within the rock idiom only though.

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>>38648907
>implying I watch anime

>> No.38649356

>genuine in your love for music

u need to get a life fool

>> No.38649362

>>38648543
>expression
>implying music has to be expressive

>> No.38649365

>>38649056
how so?

>> No.38649372
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38649372

>>38648949
Welp now it's official, you should drop that trip before you embarrass yourself worse.

Eitherway amusing thread for your inferiority complex. Too bad music doesn't need to be remembered for you to enjoy it while you're alive.

>> No.38649374

>>38649325
>39 speech marks
>odd number
Good boy!

>> No.38649377

>>38649352
Then its a wannabe Lanced Jack.

filtered :)

>> No.38649378

>women
>intellectual

>> No.38649381

>>38649333
Yes, Québec.

>> No.38649390

daily reminder random avatar faggots lurk for a month then come in and parrot bullshit and..

oh forget it, fuck you /mu/ you piece of soc-tier shit.

>> No.38649391

this whole thread is 0/10

>> No.38649393

lel

>> No.38649406

>>38649338
That happened in the 50s with jazz, I saw the thread the other day, you're just ignoring the evidence and facts again. Why? Do you hope there will be a whole bunch of new people here today for you to lie to? Whats the point?

>> No.38649408

>>38649374
I considered adding an extra quotation mark on one side just to fuck with you, but I didn't think you would actually bother counting

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>>38648862

>> No.38649413

>>38648969
>I've played tuba in a symphony orchestra which gives me a perspective that you don't have when studying classical music
What makes you assume I can't play classical guitar?

>It seems to me you have read a bunch ABOUT music. But not actually how it's made. And that is the greatest fallacy I think one could make about music, because it denies you that crucial knowledge.
This is extremely silly. Not only do you again make immature assumptions about my abilities but you seem to imply learning composition is more important to appreciation than actually listening to a wide range or music, or learning more general information about it.

>> No.38649416

>>38649372
He picked-up trip because he was extremely obvious even back as anon and threads in which he participated always turned into with-hunts.

It's a no win situation.

>> No.38649419

>>38648237
>Incredibly technical

a lot of art music isn't though.

The picture of the sophisticated audience is funny because there's no-one there, and although The Seventh Seal is a fantastic film much of its merit is at surface level - it isn't a deep or particularly "arty" film at all. Also, like someone else has pointed out, it's an existential film.

The whole literature section makes no sense at all, why are there genres on one side and some bizarre conglomeration of forms and techniques on the other? That is nonsense. I'd like to see a reasoned argument as to why The Stranger is a bad book without the argument "b-but teenagers like it" being used.

You used to be better at this I'm sure.
>>38648346
>caring about audience
>>38648419
You can't really rip on Shakespeare though.

>> No.38649446

>>38649056
Just read up on theory (I'm sure someone who knows more than me can rec you a good book) then start with simple compositions like Mozart's string quartets or w/e
don't start with mid-to-late 20th century stuff bcoz you'll just get a headache and be put off. Even without any knowledge of theory, pieces like Stravinsky's Pulcinella Suite, Mozart's The Magic Flute, and Bach's Brandenburg concertos are very accessible and pleasing to the ear. Once you know what you like, find more in that style - if you like Mozart, say, try some Haydn, or if you like some Tallis, try some Palestrina. Just look through a list of popular composers from before 1900, pick out some familiar names, and look at their smaller-scale works.
If you find it hard paying attention to long instrumental pieces, try Lieder by someone like Schubert or Schumann.

>> No.38649447

>>38649365
because i'm fairly undeducated on the subject

>> No.38649453
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38649453

So this is why no one likes tripfags.

>> No.38649459

>>38648990
Pop is a word that we in the discussion of popular music reserve for a certain sound, but when we want to discuss music that is consumed in a commoditized format we use the umbrella term popular music to encompass all of it.

>> No.38649466

>>38649453
see
>>38649416

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38649479

>>38648237
>listen to classical
>watching funthingsarefun-core anime series
tryhard detected
also
>poetry
fucking weak braindead!

>> No.38649487
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38649487

>>38649453
lets just continue posting these pictures

>> No.38649494

>>38649453
no ur the reason no-one likes trips

>> No.38649504

>>38649056
It sounds good, that's literally all you need.

>> No.38649505

>>38649413
I didn't imply it I outride said it. Music education is the most important thing in my opinion. It gives you an actual tangible connection to the music you listen to. My music classes have given me a wider appreciation of music. I would not listen to all the music I listen to today without music education.

Also I feel as if you would be more outright with your musical abilities (like Tallis) if you actually played classical guitar. If you play classical guitar that's great and that means you have that crucial knowledge. But given how ambiguous your being about your guitar skills I'm suspicious.

>> No.38649507

>>38649408
I used a word counter, don't worry

>> No.38649511

>>38649479
whats wrong with poetry

>> No.38649512

>>38649116
>OP fails to recognize that modern art music is getting ever closer to the experimental music of England not that long ago (see Xenakis)
Xenakis is english?

>and the only modern composers that could fall into "contemporary art music" contribute just as much to stagnation as contemporary musicians in any genre
What's wrong with Eliott Carter?

>If we knew what the "future classics" were going to be right now then OP would have an argument.
Actually that was my argument, since you don't know, there's no point in wading through all that bad new music. You should stick to the ones that have been established as classics.

>Musical understanding extends past dissection of notation. To keep art music the same as it has been is to discourage timbrel, lyrical, and compositional experimentation.
Art music theory was never limited to notation.

>The future of music is not more string quartets or conventional symphonies. We're looking at something far more interesting
Who are you to say classic forms are uninteresting? They've been interesting to so many generations. What makes you arrogant enough to dismiss all of those?

>> No.38649525

>>38649137
Well that's my point. Stop listening to something just because it is new and trendy, and listen to something because it's actually an enduring classic!

>> No.38649526
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38649526

>>38649487

>> No.38649535

>>38649512
>What's wrong with Eliott Carter?
he's not composing anymore
he's decomposing

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>>38649512
before anyone replies

>> No.38649551

>>38649230
It specifies the composer's intentions and method.

>> No.38649555

>>38649525
>said the guy that voluntarily listens to Stockhausen
When was the last time you listened to a John Blow opera, you willful plen?

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38649558

>>38648237
>thinking anyone gives half a shit about your autistic closed minded opinions
>''for dumbs, poors, loosers''
>tripfag on /mu/
9.5/10 best new kek

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38649560

>>38649525

>I don't care about when music is made!
>Don't listen to new music, listen to old music!

>> No.38649563

>>38649558
he's a troll, relax

>> No.38649576

>>38649525
>music never gets old
said nobody ever

>> No.38649586
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38649586

Is this a Millionaires thread?

>> No.38649587

>>38648949
>discussing art music in album format

>> No.38649591

>>38649447
You don't need to be educated in music theory to enjoy classical music. If you do, then that particular composer/performer failed to provide good music.

>> No.38649603

>>38648599
It's both

>> No.38649604

>>38649591
>said the Stockhausen enthusiast, Stockhausingly

>> No.38649611

>>38649591
>

>> No.38649621

>>38649406
Jazz isn't universally communicated through the studio album format.

>> No.38649622

>>38648237
> Shakespeare is for patricians, Albert Camus is for plebs.

I think you have that backwards op.

>> No.38649624

>>38649586

Sure, why not. While you're at it, try getting dubs.

>> No.38649626
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38649626

yeah dis a millionaire thred

>> No.38649631

BACH IS DEAD

>> No.38649632

>>38649512
What are you exactly? Just a bored fedora?

You are severely autistic as well judging from your posts, and I don't mean that as a joke or funny poke about my disagreement with you.

You are obsessive about a certain thing (classical music) to the point where you would go on an anonymous imageboard and post something that you know most people here disagree with, followed by blatant hypocrisy that you are probably not even aware of such as
>Who are you to say classic forms are uninteresting? They've been interesting to so many generations. What makes you arrogant enough to dismiss all of those?

When the whole point of your thread is that we should dismiss anything that is not rubber stamped by academic types.

You literally have autism.

Source: I work at a psychology clinic.

>> No.38649633
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38649633

>I should just listen to the same homogenized styles and pieces of music because that's what a scholar at an academy that is wildly out of touch with the progression and state of modern music told me to listen to. I shouldn't form my own opinion or anything, that would just be silly.
Beethoven aint got shit on Trouble.

>> No.38649638

>>38649419
>The picture of the sophisticated audience is funny because there's no-one there, and although The Seventh Seal is a fantastic film much of its merit is at surface level - it isn't a deep or particularly "arty" film at all. Also, like someone else has pointed out, it's an existential film.
It's also fucking garbage.

>> No.38649645

>>38649621
Right. The performance of standards shows that jazz can be more like modern folk music.

>> No.38649653

>>38649631

ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN

>> No.38649654
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38649654

>>38649624
cool

check em

>> No.38649658

>>38649638
Do you want some mustard with those onions?

>> No.38649659

>>38648969
>>38649372
The funny thing is that >>38648949 is in fact the best "beginner's guide to Western art music" which currently exists on /mu/, and people only disagree for dumb and/or knee-jerk reactionary reasons.

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>> No.38649693

>>38649505
>I didn't imply it I outride said it
I didn't say you implied it. Your reading comprehension is ABYSMAL.

>Music education is the most important thing in my opinion. It gives you an actual tangible connection to the music you listen to. My music classes have given me a wider appreciation of music. I would not listen to all the music I listen to today without music education.
The way you group the vast fields of musical study under "music education" makes me think that you are either dumb, exaggerating, or both.

>Also I feel as if you would be more outright with your musical abilities (like Tallis) if you actually played classical guitar. If you play classical guitar that's great and that means you have that crucial knowledge. But given how ambiguous your being about your guitar skills I'm suspicious.
I didn't say I was a virtuoso or anything. But it's silly to think musicians know more about musical appreciation than critics. The former study composing or performance. The latter study analysis and appreciation. You're making categorical errors to soothe your own ego.

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>>38649654

>> No.38649700
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38649700

If I had the Grosse Fugue's only remaining score and had to shit real bad, I wouldn't hesitate a single second.

Let's post some Rebecca Black.

>> No.38649710
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>>38649700
<3

>> No.38649719
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38649719

>>38649710

>> No.38649721

>>38649659
I actually don't disagree I just think that so many /mu/tants don't take you seriously.

>> No.38649731

>>38649611
aesthetic appreciation is usually the primary goal or value of most music, not theoretical novelty.

>> No.38649732
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38649732

>>38649719
>

>> No.38649742

>bumping the thread

Why don't you NOT POST, NOT REPLY and HIDE the thread?

>> No.38649746
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38649746

>>38649732

>> No.38649753

>>38649632
>Who are you to say classic forms are uninteresting? They've been interesting to so many generations. What makes you arrogant enough to dismiss all of those?
>When the whole point of your thread is that we should dismiss anything that is not rubber stamped by academic types.
These two statements are not conflicting.

>> No.38649759

>>38649586
Millionaires more like Millionothanks

>> No.38649762
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>>38649746
GY!BE>Strauss and his waltzes (as I said earlier)

>> No.38649765

>>38649633
>classical is more homogenized than hiphop
stop posting

>> No.38649774

>>38649742
I kind of enjoy seeing on the front page someone believing they have any merit in aesthetic judgement while using comic sans.

>> No.38649779

I don't get it. Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than post inflammatory bait on /mu/? There's more to life than this man, go out and enjoy it.

>> No.38649782

>>38649721
Israel has always murdered her prophets.

>> No.38649786

the seventh seal is a scott walker rip off
same fuckin story as his song

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38649802

>>38649762

>> No.38649805

>>38649774
I was hoping it was ironic.

>> No.38649807

>>38648237
but I like Inception and ASOIAF too OP

what does that make me?

>> No.38649829

>>38649759
>He doesn't want to be sexually abused by the Millionaires.

>> No.38649839

>>38649779
>stop posting on /mu/ I hate it, it's not fun, there's more to life than this, don't waste your time here!!!!
Actually, I find /mu/ a lot of fun and I'm really fond of the characters that post here.

Maybe you should take your own advice since you hate this place so much.

>> No.38649842

>>38649829
wow enjoy your aids

>> No.38649852

>>38649807
neighbear

>> No.38649862

>>38649842
A small price to pay!

>> No.38649896

>>38649693
>you seem to imply learning composition is more important to appreciation that actually listening to a wide range...etc
direct quote. I was responding to that implication

>>38649693
music education includes: Music Theory classes (which includes analyzation. My final project last semester was a formal analysis of a Mozart piece using music theory terms), instrument (for me it's jazz drums) training, and appreciation classes. Jazz Harmony courses are a perfect example, as I both listen to and analyze pieces, as well as practice composition techniques.

>>38649693
I'm not saying that. It really is my own personal opinion that learning about composing or performance is important. There's just the simple fact that understanding music theory and being able to play a piece yourself gives you a deeper understanding of the piece.

And one last thing: it's fine that you think this and all, but the whole shitting on other people for liking what you deem to be garbage just makes you an asshole. You can have the best music taste in the world but your still an asshole.

>> No.38649905

>>38649896

you're haha

>> No.38649959

>>38648237
So basically art music is for the fedora wearing faggots?

>> No.38649972

>>38649896
>direct quote. I was responding to that implication
ah, I thought you meant about the guitar.

>music education includes: Music Theory classes (which includes analyzation. My final project last semester was a formal analysis of a Mozart piece using music theory terms), instrument (for me it's jazz drums) training, and appreciation classes. Jazz Harmony courses are a perfect example, as I both listen to and analyze pieces, as well as practice composition techniques
Those things can enrich your appreciation, sure. But listening to a wide range of music is just as important. I know people who have very good knowledge of theory and are close-minded enough to not appreciate any aspects of music beyond harmonic complexity.

>There's just the simple fact that understanding music theory and being able to play a piece yourself gives you a deeper understanding of the piece.
This isn't as important as other factors.

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>>38649774
Shut the fuck up Hampus.

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>>38649802

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38650025

>>38650004

>> No.38650031

>>38648237
Fantasy, Sci-Fi and Drama are prose as well.

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>>38650025
more qts

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>>38648237
wait so what is the significance of the lines?

i hope no one is stupid enough to believe there is hidden geometry embedded in this page or something stupid like that

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>>38650037

>> No.38650047

>>38650031
Not necessarily.

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>>38649671

gah fuck

>> No.38650058

>>38650042
http://www.musictheory.net/

>> No.38650059

if classical music is meant to be listened carefully why does everybody use it has ambient music?

>> No.38650060

>>38649972
Your point is extremely valid, however, and I definitely agree that listening to a wide range of music is essential, I just hold music theory knowledge and playing ability higher because personally it has helped me understand so much more.

As for the last bit, I think we just have to agree to disagree.

>> No.38650067

>>38650059
cuz they're ploobs

>> No.38650070
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>>38650055
>55
>55
>55

>> No.38650075
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>>38650042
Pretty sure there's none. Or at least, no musician would consider interpreting these lines.

>> No.38650082

>>38650059
Have you ever been to a concert hall before?

>> No.38650085

>>38650067
so everybody is ploob

>> No.38650092
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38650092

>>38650059
cuz lack of education

>> No.38650094
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>>38650025
Was Mendelssohn an anime or why is his neck so long?

>> No.38650095

>>38650082
went to 4 last month

>> No.38650099

it's neat how any form of art can be instantly dismissed on /mu/ just by saying that fedoras listen to it

>> No.38650103
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>>38650082
I'd like to ask you the same question :)

>> No.38650106

>>38650092
you see it on movies a lot

>> No.38650118

>>38650095
then you should know that the audience pays more attention to the music there than in popular music concerts.

>>38650103
why?

>> No.38650121

>>38650094
>he doesn't mannerism

Look at btrl, a fine art pleb

>> No.38650127

>>38650099
neat more like NEET

>> No.38650133

>>38650118
yes, I know, but I'm not talking about concerts

>> No.38650138

>>38650058
>http://www.musictheory.net/
i'm talking about the colored lines between the notes, not the sheet music beneath it

>>38650075
hopefully

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D1YY_BvWU

^ that video is also about a 9.5 on the 10.0 scale of pretentiousness

>> No.38650143
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38650143

>>38650094
cuz lame painter

>> No.38650147
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38650147

YO I FOUND OP ON FACEBOOK

>> No.38650150

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvNw0P5ZMbA

P relevant.

>> No.38650159
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>>38650127
>#shots fired

>> No.38650160
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>>38650094
Actually the proportions all over the place are all fucked up.

LOOMIS

>> No.38650163

>>38650092
how do I get into liszt? I'm more into piano than strings

>> No.38650173

>>38650047
According to the OED:
>"written or spoken language in its ordinary form, without metrical structure"
I'm pretty sure that's prose most of the time.

>> No.38650189

>>38650118
>why?
Because you don't look or talk like someone who could say yes without going from :-) to :---)
>>38650121
>romanticism
>dressed and casually posing as a dandy
Mannerists wouldn't have allowed that.

>> No.38650192

>>38650133
So you're wrong.

>> No.38650199
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38650199

>>38650147
looks like muse is his favorite band too

>> No.38650221

>>38650163
Liebestraum, Années de Pèlerinage, Rhapsodies?

>> No.38650222

>>38650199
Can't be OP, he's lacking the fedora.

>> No.38650227

Ame more like LAme

>> No.38650232
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38650232

>>38650192
>2013
>being right

>> No.38650236

>obvious bait
>276 replies

This place is shit, but Jesus, embarassing.

>> No.38650241

>>38650199
n-not every Muse fan is like that, I swear.

my favourite band is Muse and I'm cool

>> No.38650242

>>38650173
Are you implying fantasy can't have metrical structure?

>> No.38650246
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>>38650232

>> No.38650253

>>38650221
danks tallis

>> No.38650255
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38650255

>>38650246
Why do you keep posting the inferior qt Mendelssohn?

>> No.38650257

>>38648389
>art-music was never for the uncouth masses.
That's why Bach has been played at churches around the globe for centuries ;)

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>>38650222
>fedora.

>> No.38650262
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>>38650242
top lel that would be ridiculous

>> No.38650266
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38650266

>>38650199
>>38650147
wrong on both accounts

>> No.38650271

>>38650236
it's good to test one's knowledge and debate skills

>> No.38650286
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38650286

>>38650255
>why do you keep posting pianists that are not the only pianist

>> No.38650294

>>38650266
>typical average tumblr pic

You don't think, wait, you don't actually believe, no you can't be that gullible

>> No.38650296

>>38650266
then where is your trip gone?

>> No.38650298

>>38650189
>Because you don't look or talk like someone who could say yes without going from :-) to :---)
That's very snobby of you Tallis. I've been to my local concert halls many times. Although I prefer chamber music concerts, which are usually in churches here.

But please elaborate on what you mean by "you don't look or talk like someone who [would]".

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38650309

>>38650286
Superior composer incoming

>> No.38650310

>>38650294
she used to say stuff via vocaroo

>> No.38650316

>>38650296
has*

>> No.38650318

>>38650236
most of this thread is just banter and bonding

>> No.38650324

>>38650199
>muse
>but being a music student/knowing the theory is most important for musical appreciation!!!!

>> No.38650331

>>38648877
I listen almost exclusively to kanye, post punk, and NMH
also 2400 SAT score reporting for duty
get slain pleb

>> No.38650345
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38650345

Why the fuck are you dumbfucks replying? One glance at the picture, and you can tell OP is either a troll or a dumbfuck, neither of which you should have a conversation with. Just sage, hide, and move on

>> No.38650356

>>38650298
I'm sometimes snobby. In fact, now that I think about it, you clearly look and talk like someone who would go there. Degenerate small bourgeoisie with little to no taste trying to show off wealth and culture while everyone is perfectly aware that they're but dying matter.

>> No.38650360

>>38650331
Every test has exceptions.

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>>38650324
>>38650324

>> No.38650367

>>38650242
It usually doesn't, neither does is it divided into verses. Prose is everything written in normal language, used as spoken without form, so even newspapers and childrens literature can be considered prose.

>> No.38650370
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38650370

hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys Hey Guys! hey guys hey guys hey guys hey guys

>> No.38650373

>>38650345
What's fallacious about the picture?

There's such thing as controversial truths, you know.

>> No.38650389

>>38650360
lol

>> No.38650393

>>38650255
lmao her name is fanny

>> No.38650401
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38650401

>>38649659
Not anymore ;)

>> No.38650404

>>38650360
>implying im an exception
>implying the majority of people ive met with >2300 SATs don't listen to similar music

>> No.38650405

>>38650356
>you clearly look and talk...
I never knew you were so prejudiced Tallis..

>> No.38650428

>>38650401
All the naxos covers make it look like you actually buy music

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>>38650324

eyo fuck you I know all too well how plebby orchestra kids can be.

that's why you listen to a lot of music AND learn theory

but the latter is more important

>> No.38650449

>thinking there's any discernible difference in either any two human intelligences or the intellectual worth of any two music pieces
>2013
wow OP you sure done fucked up

>> No.38650452

>>38650428
they're for clarity, I don't keep track of the recordings I listen to :)

>> No.38650456

>>38650434
>but the latter is more important
But doesn't the plebby kids example basically rule that out?

>> No.38650479

>>38650449
>all value judgements are subjective!
Yeah, we know. That doesn't mean we're going to pretend murder is acceptable and that classical is no better than popular.

>> No.38650498

>>38650456
it's an isolated incident. Back at my university many of my classmates have great tastes in music. But then again they're all jazz musicians.

But jazz>classical so I guess that explains that

>inb4 they're not comparable

>> No.38650506

>>38648267
gj responding

>> No.38650507

>>38650373
it implies the stranger is existential

>> No.38650514

>>38650479
>thinking moral relativism and value subjectivity are the same thing
what is this, /pol/?

>> No.38650533

>>38649079
>It's music that only the utterly select intelligentsia fully comprehends and appreciates. It's like high philosophy or high mathematics. There is pedestrian mathematics (the mathematics that engineers use) and there is pedestrian philosophy (the philosphy plebeians like english majors know). A pure mathematician, obviously a patrician, gravitates towards highly stimulating, advanced and abstract mathematics.

I can't fucking handle you autism

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>>38650514
>morals aren't values

>> No.38650569

>>38650533
>you autism
>not your
>no full stop
stop posting anytime

>> No.38650584
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38650584

does anyone on /mu/ like me

>> No.38650592

>>38650569
I cant handle you're aUtism,

>> No.38650596

>>38649258
i agree that staff notation is imperfect for dealing with pure sound, but it is still very useful.

>> No.38650598

>>38648415
>I have a friend of mine that is trained in Opera and Theater. She could name you any classical piece and virtually every play and opera known to man. Yet she likes to listen to top 40 radio and her favorite artist is Macklemore.

this

>> No.38650606

>>38650584
Not gonna like here, but you're pretty much the new cunty at this point, fuhrer :^)

>> No.38650621

>>38649638
>It's also fucking garbage.

youre such an idiot...

>> No.38650622
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>>38650606
i've forgotten who that is..

>> No.38650625

>>38650621
Are you Swedish? No? Didn't think so.

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>>38650622

>> No.38650645

>>38650584
>being edgy haikus in your yearbook-core
>being likeable

pick 1

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38650673

>>38650642
how is that me

>> No.38650699

>>38649215
I feel like I'm in between stuff at the moment. I'm not really into anything at the moment. Wanna rec me some stuff?

http://www.last.fm/user/Rajin95

>> No.38650760

>>38650699
I can't help but notice all of your last 3 months artists fall narrowly within the rock distribution/performance idiom. Perhaps you should try something different like jazz or classical?

>> No.38650787

>>38650760
My god you are like a faggot from another fucking planet.

>> No.38650813

>>38650787
?

>> No.38650842

>>38650787
You must be thinking sage is a downvote.

>> No.38650884
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38650884

>>38650787
maybe you dont belong here anon

>> No.38650909

>>38650884
I used to like you, but sadly you have no idea what you are yalking about.

>> No.38650918

>>38650584
who are you?

>> No.38650940
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38650940

>>38650909
how so?

>>38650918
ruby/fuhrer

>> No.38650982

>>38650940
Prose.
You lost me there.

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38651026

>>38650884
what the hell are you doing here.

>> No.38651100

>>38651026
haha good joke i got it lol

>> No.38651185

>>38650760
Classical brings me zero enjoyment and I haven't felt like listening to jazz lately

>> No.38651372

>>38650584
I like you but holy fuck are you a jerk.

>> No.38651385

>>38650982
Someone implied that Scifi can't be in verse, as opposed to prose. They are wrong.

>> No.38651391

>>38651372
really?

>> No.38651523

>>38651385
The thing that really annoyed me was that you were essentially considering art music to be equal to newspapers and children's fiction.

>> No.38651567

>>38651523
no

there's a reason i posted Ulysses instead of Thomas the Tank Engine.

>> No.38651636

>>38651567
Both are prose, though.

>> No.38651675

>>38650584
I actually like you, your posts/threads are funny.

>> No.38651713

>>38651636
Why aren't you upset about the other examples?

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38651727

>>38651675
you.. like me?

>> No.38651754

>>38651713
I liked most of the others.

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38651769

>>38650584
you're nice

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38651791

>>38651727
yes, you're the poster this board deserves, whatever that means.

>> No.38651814

>>38651754
You're mad about prose including Thomas the tank engine.

Yet you're not mad about Poetry including Sylvia Plath or garbage art films etc etc

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38651836

>>38651791

>> No.38651858
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38651858

..did anyone save OP guide?

>> No.38652010

>>38651814
It's not just Thomas the Tank Engine, it's every piece of writing, that's not any type of poetry.

>> No.38652124

>>38652010
>>38652010
>it's every piece of writing, that's not any type of poetry.
Coded writing and picture-writing is prose?

>> No.38652150

>>38650405
sorry :(

>> No.38652206

>>38652150
it's ok, we as a peoples will grow out of racism and classism and ageism eventually..!

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