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36404765 No.36404765 [Reply] [Original]

http://www.scaruffi.com/vol4/swans.html#see

>Needless to say, the very same critics and publications that ignored the Swans when they were releasing one masterpiece after the other hailed this mediocre senile work as a masterpiece 30 years later, finding all sorts of hidden meanings in what was simply an astute sellout.

>> No.36404796

i've been saying it all along, it's a piece of crap

>> No.36404802

Nobody takes him seriously

>> No.36404816

>The Sear
>new wave
That's it, it's over folks. Scaruffi is an actual mentally retarded man.

>> No.36404834

new wave

>> No.36404839

>>36404802

People may not take his criticism seriously but a cool way to find albums is to look up random, pretentious words paired with his name. I've done it a few times and it yields interesting results. :+)

>> No.36404847

>>36404765
>new wave
>not post punk revival

It's over, Scruffy is finish

>> No.36404895

wow a 6 who wouldve thought he would ever give that score

>> No.36404938

>>36404847
no

>> No.36404939
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36404939

>The Seer
>mediocre

>thinking gaining popularity = selling out

>listening to an old Italian meme man

The Seer will always be GOAT in my book.

>> No.36404961

>For a two-hour album, there are precious few ideas, and they are mostly (very) antiquated, bordering on the ridiculous when they borrow Sonic Youth-ian guitar repetition for the ten-minute Mother of the World and when they indulge in the free-jazz jamming of 93 Ave B Blues, or when a loop of tolling bells can't do more than trigger a monotonous litany in the eight-minute Avatar.

Can't say I disagree with him on this.

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>>36404839
>look up random, pretentious words paired with his name.
pic very much related

>>36404816
Look at his "my art" page

>> No.36404986

Not a huge fan of the album but:
>The Seer
>Swans
>New Wave

Scruffi I love you man but what kind of mental retardation do you suffer from?

>> No.36404990

>>36404939
It's just way too long my dude. And it doesn't really have anything interesting on it when compared to something like sftb

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>>36404895
I chuckled

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>new wave

>> No.36405025

>>36404939
GOAT? It's not even the best Swans album
>>36404961
Yeah not much to disagree with there.

>> No.36405032

>>36404986
How would you classify it?

>> No.36405038
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>>36404961
>not Talking Heads-ian

>> No.36405041

he is right on this one though. it's just too long, gira's repetitions tire quickly. p cool live but not anywhere near as creatively interesting or even just straight up chilling as soundtracks/white light/children of god

>> No.36405059

old man gone senile

>> No.36405063

>>36405032
Prog/post-rock with chamber elements.

>> No.36405078

>>36404990
>album being long
>bad
wow you're retarded

>> No.36405089
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>>36404816
>>36404834
>>36404847
>>36404986
>>36405013

>> No.36405174

>>36405089
The way he dresses makes me think he is too worried about what people might think of him, he also dresses really bad

>> No.36405184

Agree pretty much completely with him on this one, early Swans is unequivocally better in every way. Bit strange he still gave it such a high rating after all that though

>> No.36405196

>>36404765
can't wait foe his review on Shaking the Habitual.

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>>36405089
ded scruffy thread

>> No.36405209

>making 2 hour long drone, post rock record
>selling out

>> No.36405211

>>36405174
2/fa/4u

>> No.36405224

>>36405078
In this specific instance, yet it's too long. I like Robert Rich's Somnium and that album is upwards of 6 hours long. There's just too much repetition and indulgence on The Seer. 93 Ave. Blues, Mother of the World, Avatar illustrate this. A Piece of the Sky is one of the better tracks on the album, but even that eventually progresses into a repetitive bass led post-rock movement.

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>>36405041
>he thinks STFTB is better than The Seer

>> No.36405244

>>36405201
MY SIDES

Please tell me there are more like this

>>36405211
Not /fa/ at all, I mean come on

>> No.36405249

>>36405201
lmao

>> No.36405272

>>36405244
There are a ton. I wish I saved some

>> No.36405276

>>36405201
I didn't save any of the other ones.
>>36405244
>Please tell me there are more like this
yes

>> No.36405289

there was nobody in the doors named ian

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>>36405244

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>> No.36405313

>>36405236
It is though. SFTB is far more interesting and varied

>> No.36405320

>>36404961
I disagree. Swans have never brought anything hugely original to the table but what they've done has been done so fucking well and the repetition was so absorbing that it makes the album an excellent experience

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>> No.36405327

>>36405272
>>36405276
Oh man, that's sad, I've never seen a dead scruffy thread or anything...

>>36405291
>>36405297
10/10

>> No.36405328

>>36404802
Stanford, Harvard, and Berkeley do.

>> No.36405339

>>36405313
STFTB is a collection of studio rejects thrown around good tracks

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>> No.36405350

was the basketball one the original dead scruff shop?

>> No.36405362

>>36405348
Scruffy did 9/11

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>> No.36405410

>>36405350
I think so?

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>>36405244

>> No.36405438

personally i think The Seer deserved higher than a 6 but none of scaruffi's critiques here were unreasonable.

>> No.36405450

all these people calling scaruffi senile and shit cause he gave it a 6 would be saying "SEE ITS GOAT EVEN SCARUFFI SAYS SO" if he had given it a 7.5

its the same people whos first swans album was the seer. goddamn plebs.

>> No.36405453

>>36405209
>>36405209
>>36405209
>>36405209
>>36405209
>>36405209
>>36405209

>> No.36405482

>>36405362
it was originally planned for 6/10.

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>the Doors-ian blues-jazz shuffle of The Apostate

He's lost it.

>> No.36405492

>>36405209

its pretty trite in comparison to soundtracks.
oh, you haven't listened to anything but the seer. why do i even bother

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>>36405482

>> No.36405512

>>36405482
HAHAHAHA FUCK AISHBAISBJ

>> No.36405514

MAYBE THEY WERE NOT SO GREAT AFTER ALL

>> No.36405515
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>>36405482

>> No.36405517

B-but The Seer is Swans' second best album. Scaruffi let me down here.

>> No.36405532

http://www.scaruffi.com/quotes.html

>> No.36405549
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>>36405482

Top lel

>> No.36405560

>>36404816
>>36404834
Why? Because Scruffy

>> No.36405568

>>36405339
Ok, but it's still far more interesting than anything on The Seer.

>> No.36405576

>>36405435
top lel

>> No.36405577

>>36405482

fahny joke

>> No.36405579

>>36405492
>implying i haven't listened to children of god and the great annihilator

also

>he likes what i dont like! you must not have listened to my personal fav

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>>36405320
>repetition
>absorbing

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>>36405532
>"Am I myself?"

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>>36405244
I only have the original

>> No.36405625

>>36405568
suuuureeee

>> No.36405627

>>36405078
Being long isn't bad.

Being longer than it needs to be is.

Being shorter than it needs to be would be a bad thing, too.

>> No.36405631

Scruffy right on target again.

>> No.36405640

It's official, this and the m b v review have sent Scruffy into self-parody mode.

>> No.36405644

>>36404765
good, the seer sucked.

>> No.36405651

>>36405625
:)

>> No.36405654

>>36405595
>no appreciation of subtlety or minimalism

>> No.36405658

Maybe Scaruffi was not so great after all

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>>36405624
I also have this other picture of scruffy

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>>36405651

>> No.36405674

>>36404990
>It's just way too long my dude.
It's only two hours, and two brilliant hours at that.
>And it doesn't really have anything interesting on it when compared to something like sftb
STFB is great as well, but it's all over the place musically. The Seer has a definite direction and enough variation to not bore me.

>>36405025
>GOAT? It's not even the best Swans album
Yes it is.

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>>36405532

"We are not what we are. Now the question is: are we what we are not?"

>> No.36405698

>>36405201
Looks like Ride is feeding Fantano some radio wires

>> No.36405699

>>36405654
I have an appreciation for minimalism and subtlety but unfortunately there's not much of either on this album.

>> No.36405707

>>36405579

>implying i haven't listened to two other albums
>top lel

>> No.36405709

forget swans, let's talk about the true aoty 2012

http://www.scaruffi.com/vol8/abulahab.html

>> No.36405715

>>36405607
>"I do not envy God"
>"I see everything everywhere"
>"The part is the sum of its wholes."
OH WOW SO DEEP

>> No.36405718

>sellout

So Scaruffi's whole m b v review was saying it sounded sort of like other stuff and he didn't get it, and his Seer review is "they're sell outs".

I'm starting to get why /mu/ worships this guy, he throws buzzwords around, knows little about actual music, and treats his opinions as facts no matter how uninformed.

>> No.36405723

>"People tend to talk about what people tend to talk about"
What an empty statement

>> No.36405724

>>36405492

But SFTB has plenty of shorter, almost "normal" songs. Fuck, "Volcano" is fucking EDM. "Yum-Yab Killers" is Swans most straight-forward; simple punk rock.

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>>36405482
>>36405375
>>36405435
>>36405348
>>36405297
>>36405291
Faggots.

>> No.36405739
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36405739

He's right, though. All these Swans 'fans' came out of the woodwork when the Seer came out when they've been nowhere to be found for the last 20 years. It has very little in common with any of the other Swans material. It's pleb tier sellout garbage

>> No.36405751

>>36405492
>oh, you haven't listened to anything but the seer.
when you assume...

>> No.36405756

The Seer was a decent pop album

>> No.36405768

>>36405568
lolno

>> No.36405772

I don't care about Swans. Scaruffi is a senile idiot.

>> No.36405784

>>36405718
exactly

>> No.36405807

>>36405699
yeah ok that is true

i stand by my statement that the repetition in this album absorbs the listener though. It's a million miles away from dull repetition

>>36405724
funny that both those tracks are absolutely fuckawful

>>36405718
>>36405715
>>36405723
now go look at his "my art" page and read some of his essays on art history

this will hammer the nail in your personal coffin, adorned with a plaque saying "Scaruffi's Knowledge"

>> No.36405811

>>36405723

"The only way to know what i know is to know what i don't know"

I'm literally dying

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>>36405739
>implying Swans hasn't been changing their shit from album to album since forever

>> No.36405821

>>36405718
>and his Seer review is "they're sell outs".
you may want to reread his review again if that's all you got from it

>> No.36405823

>>36405739

>>36405209

>> No.36405831
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>> No.36405835

Other than the end of the review, there's not much that I disagree with actually

>> No.36405836

>>36405739
>they've been nowhere to be found for the last 20 years
probably because guide me up wasn't all that good and they hadn't released and album for about 15 years pror to that
there hasn't been an awful lot to talk about

>> No.36405850

>>36405595
How is repetition NOT absorbing?

>>36405699
Are you serious? This album is centered around the concept of minimalism.

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>>36405831

>> No.36405867

>>36405658

With all honestly, his Seer review was going to be what decided whether or not I would take him seriously anymore. Disappointing to say the least.

>> No.36405870

how is it a sellout when it was released on gira's label?

also
>new wave

>> No.36405877

>>36405724

thats part of the point. it varys far more, and really acts as a soundtrack for a movie never made.
the other part is that the longer pieces dont have the same formula of JAM JAM JAM CHANT CHANT CHANT DRONE DRONE DRONE for every goddamn song. its tiresome and boring.

>> No.36405886

but its a garbage album

>> No.36405895

The Seer is just an overlong, worse version of The Sound.

>> No.36405900

>>36405739

>sellout

lel

>> No.36405911

>>36405718
>I'm starting to get why /mu/ worships this guy, he throws buzzwords around, knows little about actual music, and treats his opinions as facts no matter how uninformed.
Eeeeeeeeyup, that's about right.

>> No.36405915

>>36405850
Not in the same way. It's often very balls-out and isn't the subtlety of a Barn Owl track or Ensemble Pearl; relying on a noisy, busy atmosphere which will put of some used to a less confrontational approach to repetition

>>36405877
>someone can't into drone rock
srs tho it's a collection of studio rejects.

>> No.36405916

sure is Pitchdrones in this thread

>> No.36405931
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>>36405916
>false dichotomy

>> No.36405944

Meh I've never really enjoyed Swans other than White Light and Great Annihilator. Scaruffi is definitely going senile though and is coming off as bitter.

>> No.36405950

>>36405931
Pitchdrone

>> No.36405958

>people still taking scaruffi seriously
Guys. It's over. Go home.

>> No.36405962

>>36405915

i do like good drone rock.

>> No.36405967

I loved The Seer but nearly every point Scaruffi made here is valid, I don't see why you guys are reacting this way.

>> No.36405968

>>36405962
such as?

>> No.36405969

>>36405718
Pretty much this. He also admitted in the m b v review that he was staright-up biased against artists making "comebacks."

>>36405739
>All these Swans 'fans' came out of the woodwork when the Seer came out when they've been nowhere to be found for the last 20 years.
So they made some new fans. So what?
>It has very little in common with any of the other Swans material.
Swans change their style all the time, what's your point?
>It's pleb tier sellout garbage
Wow, nice buzzwords.

>> No.36405987

>Swans
>New Wave
What the fuck am I reading

>> No.36405990

This is coming from the same guy that didn't give Daniel Johnston anything above a 7.5 and doesn't like live jazz albums. Why do you pay any attention?

>> No.36405998

>>36405967
Difference is he's being so over exaggerative about it. He's knocking an album down more than it deserves.

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36406000

Talking of Swans, what's with that high pitch ring during The Seer

Shit gets right in your ears, man

>> No.36406009

>>36405870
This. Scaruffi is a buzzword-lobbing fool.

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>>36405916

>> No.36406029

>>36405877

But the songs that make SFTB variable are fairly trite.

>the other part is that the longer pieces dont have the same formula of JAM JAM JAM CHANT CHANT CHANT DRONE DRONE DRONE for every goddamn song
But they do.

>> No.36406039

>>36405998
Hardly. He's giving his honest opinion on the album. Just because you disagree doesn't mean he's exaggerating.

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>>36405807
I don't really take him seriously. Several of his quotes and essays are extremely questionable.
But he's an entertaining guy, what can I say.
>>36405811
#deep

>> No.36406067

>>36405998
A 6.5/10 isn't a bad score.

>> No.36406068

>>36405895

No, that's what F#A#(infinity) is.

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1969

>> No.36406078

>>36405718
>he didn't get it
That killed me, the point of Nothing Is is so fucking obvious, if you don't enjoy it you don't enjoy it, but don't say "I don't understand what it means so it's probably meaningless."

That made me lose so much respect for the guy.

>> No.36406102

>>36406068
Huh? Please don't bring gy!be into this discussion

>> No.36406104

>>36406009
not as much as the rest of people in music journalism. Pitchfork, for example, is nothing but fancy words that dodge the music. Music criticism has become impressionistic, the critics just describe their feels and mental trips, preface it with a bit of band history and the history of their opinions, plaster a review score on it and then sell it to you plebs

>> No.36406109

>>36405877
>the longer pieces dont have the same formula of JAM JAM JAM CHANT CHANT CHANT DRONE DRONE DRONE for every goddamn song.
If you actually paid attention, you'd notice that the structures for each extended song on The Seer vary wildly.
>its tiresome and boring.
If you have a short attention span, I'm sure it must be.

>>36405915
True, but that's what I enjoy about it.

>> No.36406118

(not true, by the way)

>> No.36406122

>>36406049

He does exaggerate a ton in his reviews though if he doesn't necessarily "like" the artist all that much. I've read reviews of his where he gave an album a 6 and it only outlined the positives of said album whereas with The Seer's review he just mordantly attacks it

>> No.36406137

>>36405968

the dead c, bardo pond, that shit

>> No.36406149

>>36405967

>New Wave
>sellout
>the Doors-ian blues-jazz shuffle
>Pink Floyd-ian

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Glad someone called out this shit

>> No.36406152

>>36405967
>nearly every point Scaruffi made here is valid
Some, definitely. Not nearly every one. he just comes off as bitter and conceited here.

>> No.36406157

>>36406068
Not really. F#A# is a homage to Ennio Morricone's western ost's. I'm not sure how it's comparable to The Sound.

>> No.36406172

>>36405987
le italian meme man face

>> No.36406178

>>36406077
wrong thread m8

>> No.36406198

>>36406039
>describes The Seer, a two hour drone rock album as "a sellout" and says it's new wave
Yeah no he's a few brain cells away from going for a shit in his back yard and licking rocks to get his daily mineral intake

>>36406137
>old and psychedelic drone rock
>criticizes a new album
OF COURSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT IT'S LIKE COMPARING PARSON SOUND TO FUCKING ASVA

>> No.36406203

>>36406102

The Sound was a significant forerunner to GY!BE-esque post-rock.

>> No.36406206

>>36405895
Not really.

>> No.36406207

>the m b v "this sounds annoying, I don't get it" debacle
>this

I can't wait for him to give RAM a 10 and say it's his favorite jazz album so we can all just drop this whole Scaruffi train, because what was originally "pompous music reviews" has turned to "pompous and comically bad music reviews"

>> No.36406212

>>36406029

>but they do

nice one

>> No.36406235

>>36406198
>licking rocks to get his daily mineral intake
I'm not entirely convinced he doesn't actually do this

>> No.36406243

>>36404765
but it's true

the seer was pretty weak, especially after something like SftB

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>>36406207
>I can't wait for him to give RAM a 10 and say it's his favorite jazz album
If only

>> No.36406259

>>36406203
It sounds nothing like what's on that album though. Plus, The Dead Flag Blues and Providence were completed by the time SFTB was released in 1996.

>> No.36406270

>>36406207

It's become patent that in recent times he's been doling out outrageous reviews for page hits; I'd say it's working quite well but everyone thinks that he's such a sanctimonious faggot that they'd never expect him to sink to that level of cheap deception

>> No.36406272

>>36406104
The fact that Pitchfork is more idiotic than Scaruffi doesn't invalidate Scaruffi's idiocy.

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>>36406235
>

>>36406243
see >this entire discussion
STFTB is a collection of studio rejects consisting of 2/3 filler shit and 1/3 excellence.

>> No.36406291

>>36406198
>"a sellout"
Not part of his actual critique on the album, it was extramusical commentary
>new wave
Not relevant in any way, and in all honesty not that unreasonable a label. Post-punk and new wave are essentially synonymous labels (for many, anyway), and calling The Seer post-punk, while certainly missing part of the picture, wouldn't exactly be incorrect.

>> No.36406317

>>36406272
This. They';re both awful, but I have to say I do like Scruffy's rating system

>> No.36406324

>>36406291

>for many, anyway

Yes. Okay. Sure. Yep. No doubt. Positively. Absolutely. No arguments here.

>> No.36406330

>>36406291
It's missing a big part of the picture

>Not part of his actual critique on the album, it was extramusical commentary
Why would an inacessible, long album released on a private record by a band that's only known among underground circles and the odd dadrocker who took his thumb out be a sell out?

Why bring it up at all if the review is meant to be of the album?

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36406331

>>36406207
>I can't wait for him to give RAM a 10 and say it's his favorite jazz album

>> No.36406343

>>36406198

so what, parallels between beach boys and animal collective cant be brought up cause one band is old and other is new? top lel

both dead c and bardo pond still record btw.

>> No.36406347
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36406347

He was right about m b v, though. That album had a shelf life of about a month.

>> No.36406350

I think this is the year when Scaruffi lost his sanity completely.I was anticipating this review too....Oh well.

>Needless to say, the very same critics and publications that ignored the Swans when they were releasing one masterpiece after the other hailed this mediocre senile work as a masterpiece 30 years later, finding all sorts of hidden meanings in what was simply an astute sellout.

/mu/ syndrome

>> No.36406352

>>36406324
Well some people say that there is a distinction, with new wave having a stronger pop influence. If you don't know the common roots of both labels though, you clearly don't know your music history very well.

>> No.36406361

>>36406235
yeah, that sounds like a very scruffy thing to do

>> No.36406366

>>36406343
And The Seer is miles away in style from either of them. It's the stylistic difference, not the temporal distance

>> No.36406385

>>36406243
>forgetting about My Father

>> No.36406390

>>36406366
>from either of them
(that I've heard)

>> No.36406393

>>36406352

>If you don't know the common roots of both labels though, you clearly don't know your music history very well

Lel.

>> No.36406413

>>36406317
Pretty much.

>> No.36406453

>>36406330
this

>> No.36406457

Why are Gira's lyrics 90% vulgar lyrics about sex.

"in and out and in and out and in and out"

shut the fuck up you creep
"hurr, too much sex is dehumanizing and makes you feel empty inside"

wow so #deep
fuck off

>> No.36406468

The Seer just drags on way too long for it's own good. And yes I do enjoy long albums as long as they can justify that length with quality.

>> No.36406470

>>36406330
>It's missing a big part of the picture
Agreed, but it ultimately isn't as inaccurate a label as people itt are making it out to be.

And I disagree with him that it is a sellout album. I'm simply making the point that his classification of The Seer as such isn't an actual part of his musical commentary. Scaruffi made his musical points (which I disagree with but acknowledge the validity of), and this is what I'm commenting on.

>> No.36406474

>>36406347
>i didn't like it
>forgettable

It still gets posted here frequently. I'm guessing it was your first MBV album.

>> No.36406480

>>36406259

>It sounds nothing like what's on that album though
Really? Nothing at all? To be fair, "I Was a Prisoner in Your Skull" and "Her Mouth Is Filled With Honey" sound more like GY!BE than "The Sound", and it was bad to compare it to F#A#oo, but it does bare similarities, and I'd be surprised if GY!BE weren't influenced at all by Swans.

>> No.36406491

>>36406347
Better than Loveless

>> No.36406500

>>36406393
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_punk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_wave_music
Get reading, friend.

>> No.36406520

>>36406347
Wrong.

>> No.36406526

>>36406457
Cite me a better lyric referencing sex.

Go ahead.

>> No.36406532
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36406532

>>36406491
Yeah, and this is the best AnCo album

>> No.36406536

>>36406474

Are you the same moron who posted

>>36406352

If ur gonna try to rouse up a ruckus at least change your typing style

>> No.36406541

>>36406347
>scruffy drone still clinging to the illusion of his intelligence

It's okay, the album was good, you can stop pretending.

>> No.36406542

>>36406366

but you were all "OLD BANDS WTF"
does that mean its not comparable to the droney pieces of sftb? cause thats stylistically (relatively) different.

>> No.36406563

>>36406536
>If ur gonna try to rouse up a ruckus at least change your typing style
What are you talking about?

>> No.36406565

>>36406474
I think I would have enjoyed it more if I had never heard Loveless or Isn't Anything

>> No.36406574
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36406574

>>36406457

>herp

>> No.36406581

>>36406468
>The Seer just drags on way too long for it's own good.
Are you serious? It's the perfect length for an album of its magnitude.

>> No.36406603

>>36406563

Well, it's clear to me that you're trying to pull the good ol' ruseman's wool over our eyes, anon

>> No.36406618

>>36406536
>>36406563
Oh, I missed that first part of your post. No, the first guy you quoted isn't me, but my point still stands. If you don't know that post-punk and new wave are essentially the same thing you really don't belong here.

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36406624

>>36406536
Different moron. I have no opinion on The Seer, I thought it was alright but don't really have strong feelings either way for any Swans album.

>> No.36406641

>>36406480
Oh I'm not saying they weren't influenced by Swans (parts of LYSF for instance). Just saying that F#A# infinity was influenced more by Ennio Morricone more than any other artist(The Cowboy, for instance)

>> No.36406649

>>36406457
you should look into power electronics I think you'd like it :)

>>36406470
As I say, then the points he made as extramusical commentaries are worthless. It's like saying "oh and the artwork is bad" at the end of the review

It has influences from new wave, yes, but it's like someone calling monster magnet blues rock. a derivative but a distant speck compared to it's usual genre associatives

>>36406542
good point i did. I meant to focus on the stylistic difference between modern psychedelia and older psychedelia, and the stylistic difference those will both (especially older works) will have from something like The Seer; a completely different animal and from mostly different genres

>>36406581
he has a point in that it's a live experience and unless you're in the mood for it, the title track will get tiring, particularly after the 15 minute mark

>> No.36406658

>>36406480
>I'd be surprised if GY!BE weren't influenced at all by Swans.
I'm sure they were, but the point remains that they were both developing that sound at about the same time.

Hell, after listening to My Father and The Seer, I wouldn't be at all surprised of Swans learned a thing or two from Godspeed.

>> No.36406666

>>36406618

Then why are they two separate genres if they're the same thing, yo. I guess The Pop Group r the same as Duran Duran amirite.

>>36406624

Holy crap, can you please just go away

>> No.36406674

Hey guys.

Can The Seer be /mu/core now?

Can it replace OK Computer?

Can we do the same for Faust?

>> No.36406681

>>36406526
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AWFf7EAc4&t=3m53s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LULmbLlPvVk&t=56s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndc96UKRw0A&t=18s

>> No.36406682

>>36406491
No.

>> No.36406690

>>36406666
Biggest waste of quads ever.
Worst namefag on the site.

>> No.36406708

>>36406674
Admittedly, Faust would be a wiser choice than ITCOTCK or MBDTF, but no.

>> No.36406726

>>36406574
heh

>> No.36406730

>>36406658
Gira and Efrim are supposedly pretty good friends, so I wouldn't be surprised that they listen to each other's work.

>> No.36406732

>>36406674
I support this.Seer(SftB as an alternative) and Faust for MPP and MBDTF

>> No.36406733

>>36406674
no
no
no

>> No.36406752

>>36406690

I'm actually in the highest percentile, chum, my knowledge vastly exceeds any other namefag on this board AND tricking ay-non's such as yourself is done with such facility that I could do it in my sleep

>> No.36406758

>>36406649
>he has a point in that it's a live experience and unless you're in the mood for it, the title track will get tiring, particularly after the 15 minute mark
I felt that way at first, but the title track really grew on me.

>> No.36406769

>>36406641

It was mostly the "It sounds nothing like what's on that album though" part that bothered me. Glad everything was clarified about that then.

>> No.36406804

>We Rose From Your Bed With The Sun In Our Head (Young God, 2012) is a live album.

>...

>We Rose From Your Bed With the Sun in Our Head (2012) documents the live performances of this reincarnation of the Swans.

>> No.36406827

>>36406733

Why not?

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36406828

>>36406674
OKC and ITCOTCK have already been demoted. Get with the times.

>> No.36406841

>>36406730
That's really cool.

>> No.36406844

>>36406769
Yeah. I guess what I was saying is that The Sound is just too noisy for something that would be on the minimalistic compositions of F#A# infinity

>> No.36406850

>>36406649
>As I say, then the points he made as extramusical commentaries are worthless
That's fair, but then you're still ignoring his musical commentaries, which is pretty silly.
>>36406666
>Then why are they two separate genres if they're the same thing, yo
As I've already said, some make the distinction that new wave has a greater pop influence. They both come from the same place though, and using them as synonyms is hardly unreasonable, and people have been doing it since the terms were introduced.

>> No.36406862

>>36406828

i actually agree with this list. people wont like it tho

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36406884

>tfw Fiona Apple gets a 7 and makes the Gira & The Swans look like little bitch niggas

>> No.36406891

>>36406828
at this point, Sung Tongs and SBTSTV are discussed just as much as MPP

>> No.36406923

>>36406078
>the point of Nothing Is is so fucking obvious
Which is...?

>> No.36406924

>>36406884
ADBA also got a 7, my guess is Scruffy came to Mladic.

>> No.36407066

>>36406850
actually if you had read this thread, i am discussing them with others

>> No.36407077

This Nice Face album is pretty great

>> No.36407097

>>36406828
Why would the best /mu/core album be demoted?

Also MPP is complete shit.

>> No.36407122

>>36407097
>Also MPP is complete shit.

>one of the best pop albums of the last 10 years
>complete shit

lol

>> No.36407174

>>36407122
It is a good pop album, but there are numerous superior albums in the /mu/ essentials

>> No.36407208

>>36407066
Okay, again, fair enough. You have been doing so, particularly with >>36405320, a post I happen to strongly agree with. However many itt have not, which is what I was trying to point out. People have been commenting on his extramusical commentaries rather than his musical commentaries, and using them to invalidate his conclusions, which really just misses the point.

>> No.36407328

>>36407097
Nothing to do with quality, it's discussion level.

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>>36406884
>taking scruffy seriously

>> No.36407347

>>36407097
It's based on board relevance, not on quality, ya big doofus

>> No.36407381

>>36406923
Same as the loops in loveless, lull you into a sense of anticipation which becomes acceptance, but then it pulls out from under you and disorients you. Listen to it loudly and while high, those moments are beautiful. I get shivers whenever Nothing Is ends.

>> No.36407443

>>36407347

Yeah, if it was based on quality, we'd probably be lazy and steal Scaruffi's top 50.

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36407482

>>36406828
FTFY

>> No.36407532

>>36407482
Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I've actually seen anyone talk about MBDTF outside of ranking threads.

>> No.36407544

>>36407532
/mu/ doesn't care about black people

>> No.36407573

>>36407482
not bad

>> No.36407576

Can we all just agree that m b v was actually a pretty good album and we'd still be hyping over it if Scaruffi didn't shit on it?
And can we agree that review was awful?

>> No.36407580

>>36407381
In that case it fails absolutely miserably. Worst track on the album in my opinion.

>> No.36407598

>>36407576
>And can we agree that review was awful?
Yes.
>pretty good album
Debatable, but it's definitely not baad
>we'd still be hyping it
Not as much as we had been, but yeah, probably

>> No.36407606

>>36407532
>implying MBDTF getting a 10 wasn't one of the biggest shitstorms in /mu/ history
stay new

>> No.36407612

>>36407580
>Nothing Is
>
>
>
>your head
>
>
>scaruffi's head

>> No.36407630

>>36407606
I was there, I agree, I'm saying since then we really just don't talk about it at all. Learn to read.

>> No.36407647

>>36407576
his review was awful, and the album was alright

>> No.36407648

>>36407606
It was about as big as the 7.4 shitstorm and frankly, it was the last time we ever really cared about MBDTF.

>> No.36407672

>>36407580
It was m b v's "Touched"

It isn't a standalone, it functions with the whole album, and as a prelude to Wonder 2 and a finale to In Another Way, it might be one of my favorite parts of the album.

>> No.36407697

>>36407576
Yes, yes, and yes.
Awful review, arguably AOTY, and if he gave it a high score, we'd still be having people making threads about it being /mu/core right now.

>> No.36407711

>>36407606
Yeah, and then it was never spoken of again.

>> No.36407773

>>36407672
Not an impossible scenario, since apart from "If I Am" I hate the whole second half of the album.

>> No.36408035

>>36407773
>I hate the whole second half of the album.
Oh, then you just have awful taste.
Too much vacuums?

>> No.36408395

>>36408035
Not at all, but all of the electronic stuff is just awful and the whole thing is produced so that it's very annoying sounding to my ear, not a fan of the mixing or the tonal balance.

>> No.36408663
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36408663

>This old article by Piero Scaruffi has won several international awards as the most professional analysis of the career of pop group the Beatles ever written.
>Awards are nowhere to be found
>Doesn't answer emails about it

>> No.36408742

>>36408663
>that manip
oh god yes

I'm pretty sure the guy's upset that despite his scientific intelligence and insane devotion he lacks simple creative appreciation and just churns out shit with the odd philosophy snippet stuck onto a review

>> No.36408755

>>36406828
I'm OK with this.

>> No.36408811

>>36408742
>oh god yes
If I had it in higher resolution I could make a MUCH better one.

>> No.36408888

calm down aspies, 6/10 is a good score

>> No.36408921
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36408921

>>36408888
>implying anyone gives a shit about what Trolleruffi says

>> No.36408957

>>36408921
apparently you do, you haven't stopped talking about him all day

>> No.36408974
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36408974

>>36408957
Where?

>> No.36408995

>>36408921
u hampissed
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hampus+gronvall&word2=piero+scaruffi

>> No.36408997

>>36408974
>>36400558
then this thread

>> No.36409075
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36409075

>>36408995
Epic.

>>36408997
That's one le thread.

>> No.36409136

>>36408663
dude, it was clearly meant as a joke.

>> No.36409164

>>36409136
scaruffi doesn't seem like he has a sense of humor

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36409194

>>36409164
yes he does

>> No.36409200

>>36405739

Yeah, I'm such a pleb and filthy p4k drone because I didn't even know about SFTB when I was 6.

>> No.36409206
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36409206

>>36409164
http://www.scaruffi.com/computer/jokes.html

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36409223

>>36408663

>> No.36409228
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36409228

>>36409136
If that's a joke, then what is his entire website?

That's right.

>> No.36409231

>>36409164
Have you even read his Beatles essay? He ends it with a humorous statement

>If somebody had not invented "beatlemania" in 1963, you would not have wasted five minutes of your time to read a page about such a trivial band.

>> No.36409260

>>36409228
>If that's a joke, then what is his entire website?
a knowledge base

>> No.36409262

>>36409223
>i'm glad to contribute to cheer up the Japanese after the tsunami and all :-)
so kawaii~

>> No.36409282

>>36409206

>defender

>> No.36409285

>>36409260
No, a joke.

>>36409231
That's not a humorous statement you cockmongling retard.

>> No.36409323

whats ur fav scruffcore

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36409336

>>36404939
>thinking gaining popularity = selling out

>implying it isn't

>> No.36409356

>>36409285

What's with all that aggression today, Gronvally boy?

>> No.36409358

Took a while for Hampus to start projecting his insecurities in a Scruffy thread.

>> No.36409376

>>36409285
>That's not a humorous statement you cockmongling retard.
how is it not? he's telling the reader they wasted their time reading his essay, which they're supposed to find humorous. do you get how humor works?

>> No.36409422

>>36409376
No, he's telling readers that the band is shit and that there shouldn't have to be essays about why. He's completely fucking lunatic, and you're completely fucking illiterate.

>> No.36409446

>>36409422
And you're jealous of the fact Scruffy gets more credit on this board than you.

>> No.36409449

>>36409206
I don't think I ever read all the way to "lusty negro attitudes"

Probably because of the (not true by the way)

>> No.36409450

>>36409422
>No, he's telling readers that the band is shit and that there shouldn't have to be essays about why.
yes, but he is doing so in a way that is designed to provoke amusement. hence the reference to wasting one's time.

>> No.36409452

>>36409422
calm down aspie

>> No.36409482

>>36409231
mysideshavelostedit

>> No.36409506

>>36407630
there's literally a thread about Kanye at all times

>> No.36409510

>>36409450
You are seriously illiterate, aren't you? It's not a humorous statement in the least, it's a fucking provocative statement that says the Beatles are completely useless and no one would have cared for them if they weren't marketed and popular as fuck.

Jesus fucking shit, are you really this retarded?

>> No.36409511

>Hampus on the loose again

Where's CLT when you need him?

>> No.36409531

>>36409511
I remember the days hampy worshipped scruffy. Recently he's become more insecure by the day, hasn't he?

>> No.36409535

>>36409511
>wanting CLT around
CLT put your trip back on

>> No.36409573
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36409573

>>36409531
>I remember the days hampy worshipped scruffy.
It's funny because these days have never existed.

I can't fucking stand how retarded /mu/ is sometimes. Kill yourselves. All of you.

>> No.36409584

>>36409510
god help you if someone ever makes a cynical joke towards something, can you really not detect irony in his statement ?

>> No.36409594

>>36409510
are you saying statements can't be both provocative and humorous? yes, once again, he's saying that about the beatles, but his use of language is meant to amuse the reader. telling your audience they have just "wasted 5 minutes of their time" (or doing something similar) is a common way to add humorous elements to whatever it is you've just done.

>> No.36409608

>>36409573
>It's funny because these days have never existed.
You were basically the prime force in forcing Scruffy on this board. Half your "patrician" tastes are derived from his reviews.

>> No.36409621

>>36409608
not true, by the way

>> No.36409639

>>36409608
as silly as Hampus is being right now, this never happened.

>> No.36409680

>>36409584
No, because there isn't any. The final paragraph falls perfectly in place with everything in the essay from start to finish. There's no joke. Scaruffi is dead serious, and 100% retarded about it.

>>36409594
>are you saying statements can't be both provocative and humorous?
No, I'm saying there isn't any kind of joke at play here and if you're reading into it that way you're just as retarded as Scaruffi himself.

>>36409608
>You were basically the prime force in forcing Scruffy on this board.
Except, you know, I have never ever forced anything Scaruffi in any positive way, ever.
>Half your "patrician" tastes are derived from his reviews.
And then you look at my taste and realize it doesn't align with Scaruffi's at all. And then you take into consideration that I've barely read a full review by him for any sake other than amusement.

I'll just give you all the benefit of doubt and assume you're baiting. If you're not, holy shit I feel bad for you.

>> No.36409695

>>36409639
>>36409621
>>36409680
Yes, it pretty much did happen.

>> No.36409702

>>36405718
Here's the actual review
Part 1/2
>30 years after the Swans gave their first masterpiece the good news was that the world had finally caught up and by 2013 the Swans were widely recognized as one of the greatest rock bands ever. The bad news is that it was time for Gira to monetize the name that had yielded no commercial return for so long. Hence the double album The Seer (Young God, 2012) that begins with the frigid bolero crescendo and Pink Floyd-ian litany of Lunacy (with Alan Sparhawk and Mimi Parker of Low) and ends with the Doors-ian blues-jazz shuffle of The Apostate, which blossoms after a lengthy preamble of sentimental guitar glissandoes and a manic collective explosion a` la Glenn Branca.
For a two-hour album, there are precious few ideas, and they are mostly (very) antiquated, bordering on the ridiculous when they borrow Sonic Youth-ian guitar repetition for the ten-minute Mother of the World and when they indulge in the free-jazz jamming of 93 Ave B Blues, or when a loop of tolling bells can't do more than trigger a monotonous litany in the eight-minute Avatar. Jarboe appears on the 19-minute Piece of the Sky, at first an effective piece of cosmic music until the drums kicked in and turns it into a slow languid aimless sleep-inducing coda, and yet another repetitive section.
The 32-minute The Seer begins promising with hysterically strummed guitars (Glenn Branca again) and early Pink Floyd-ian suspense, and peaks when Gira pits mantra-like vocal repetition against country and western drumming, but the remaining 15 minutes are awfully pointless. The Seer Returns employs Roger Waters' strategy of revisiting a theme in a different tone (hence memories of The Wall), and pushing it to an obsessive degree, reminiscent of Led Zeppelin's When The Levee Breaks Fleetwood Mac's Tusk, does cause shivers of primordial shamanic hypnosis.

>> No.36409718

>>36409695
citation needed

>> No.36409725

>>36409702
>>36405718
Part 2/2
>There is one touching ballad, Song for a Warrior, sung by Yeah Yeah Yeahs' vocalist Karen O, that is the exact opposite of the lengthy compositions and that for a couple of minutes matches the romantic intensity of, say, Gram Parsons' version of Love Hurts.
Song for a Warrior, The Apostate and The Seer Returns (and half of Piece of the Sky and one third of The Seer) deserved to be recorded, but the rest perhaps could have be edited away. Anyway, this album has virtually nothing of the sound of the Swans. It should have been credited to Gira or to one of his many side-projects.
>Needless to say, the very same critics and publications that ignored the Swans when they were releasing one masterpiece after the other hailed this mediocre senile work as a masterpiece 30 years later, finding all sorts of hidden meanings in what was simply an astute sellout.

>> No.36409775

>>36409680
>Scaruffi is dead serious,
once again, the content of his essay is serious, the use of language in the final statement (while still supporting his serious claims about the beatles) are specifically designed to be humorous. telling your audience they wasted their time is a quite common method of interjecting humor into an otherwise serious work, and scaruffi doing such is an obvious attempt to fall into that trope.

>> No.36409790

>>36409718
I've never saved a single post, so you'll jsut have to believe me on my word.

>> No.36409809

>>36409775
Did you sniff glue and push crayons up your nose as a kid? This is a serious question.

>> No.36409842

>>36409809
epin :-) i lov ur contrubtions 2 the board
epin just totally epin

>> No.36409876

>>36409809
No. Have you seriously never encountered someone using such language to provoke amusement? This is also a serious question.

>> No.36409900

>>36407648
>>36407711

Have you ever been to /mu/ before today? Before an hour ago, maybe?

>> No.36409938

>>36409842
No, I'm serious. The fact that you still think he's saying his audience wasted their time means there's something wrong in your head. He's saying that they read an essay about a band that if they hadn't been popular the essay would have been a waste of time. Read. The. Fucking. Thing.

Actually just kill yourself right now. I'm surprised you're actually able of breathing without respiratory aid.

>>36409876
>Have you seriously never encountered someone using such language to provoke amusement?
I have read essays that contain humorous provocation. This is not it. See above. Then kill yourself.

>> No.36409962

>>36409938
XD
ur hilarous!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.36409984

>>36409962
You know what, I'll just fucking go to bed.

Fucking hell, this board I swear

>> No.36409987

>>36409962
>6. The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.

>> No.36409996

>>36409680
there's no joke in the sense that there isn't a punchline or a pun or something, but you're definitely supposed to chuckle once you've read that line.

>> No.36410025

>>36409987
>>36409984
.........lol
epin

>> No.36410053

>>36410025
>>36409962
Congratulations. You made the Big Man on Hampus mad.

>> No.36410088

>>36409938
>The fact that you still think he's saying his audience wasted their time means there's something wrong in your head
he literally said that though. he says that in conjunction with:
>He's saying that they read an essay about a band that if they hadn't been popular the essay would have been a waste of time.
and either way, his choice of words is supposed to be funny.

>> No.36410091

>>36410025
>/mu/ in charge of being a good board

>> No.36410111

>>36409535
clt is always good at putting hamp in his place.

>> No.36410153 [DELETED] 

>>36410091
wiked (> ' -')>
the best!!!!!!!

>> No.36410187

>>36409938
Dude, he's playing into a humorous trope. Hence the references to "wasting 5 minutes of one's time." If no humor was intended, he wouldn't have played into a commonly used humorous trope.

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