/mu/ - Music (Temp full images)

>>>/pol/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsCp5LG_zNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWdNIL4y50U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT88jBAoVIM

>>31119737
Lol, people are actually caring about this? We'll all get over it in a month. Calm your tits. Nothing will be changed because of it or anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbe7OruLk8I

>>31119797
>>>/b/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDDlxmsciqY

>>31119797
why are you laughing. of course WE, the people who were thousands of miles away will get over it. the families wont. every year around this time they'll think back to that day.

asshole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYMLMj-SibU

>tfw started listening to hospice once I found out, walked around campus in a light drizzle, tears began to well up and I had to stop

started crying cause of 9/11
never forget
greatest tragedy of our time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V84STSWVp3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XdXEJEI4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoJz2SANTyo

>>31119797
>>>/b/
i remember when i was 14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-4NFvI5U9w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9FImc2LOr8

>type in amazing grace
>start linking all related videos

/mu/ in a nutshell. this is how they find all their music.

>>31119737

Not going to lie I though about how terrifying it would be if my grade 3 teacher Mrs. suddenly shoved me in a closed with a horrified look in her eyes. Gunshots popping in the background, I have no idea whats going on...

The people saging this thread are so far gone it's useless. Sociopathic lack of empathy is what it is.

>>31119874
[2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnk0KjWxgMA

>>31119797
>>>/b/

Fuck.

Congratulations NRA: another successful massacre! See The largest terrorist organization in the world strikes again or And again and again or this article or this article or... I am tired of writing the same article every few months. Read the old ones. Nothing has changed. Nothing will change. Terrorist organization bribes democratically-elected officials to pass gun-friendly laws. Terrorist organization kills at will. Innocents die. What's new?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJg5Op5W7yw

>>31119980
>>>/pol/
shut the fuck up. just be sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvYIjFtPQEk

>>31119954
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&v=9sTQ0QdkN3Q

Think of the parents coming come to their children's presents. Fuck, man

>>31119980
crazy alert guys

>>31119993
>shut the fuck up. just be sad.
what a dumb idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6vR-TQ7n68

why are people still talking about this?? whats there even to talk about?

>>31119943
There's insensitive and then there's heartless. When you can really feel for another life, it's the most wonderful feeling yet at the same time it can feel like the worst.

I thought I was insensitive to a lot of shit. But i wasn't even trying to think about the shootings. it just happened and i cried like a bitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4qbmPpfG6s

>>31120029
>When you can really feel for another life, it's the most wonderful feeling yet at the same time it can feel like the worst.
i wish i knew that feel bro ;_;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apIqbOQZNj4

>>31120028
nothing for you,
get out

>>31120028

How domestic gun ownership is the most idiotic, indefensible ideal that some people still cling to in the 21st century.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIQl6ygRqhw

ITT: A bunch of pussies. Get over it, fags.

>>31120066
BUT WE NEED GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM PEOPLE WITH GUNS DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT FAMILIES

>>31120089
Calm your bitch tits faggot

>>31120066
the 2nd will always protect domestic gun ownership get over it gaylord

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_tb2KKjUpM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM8qpA7Crpw

>>31120066

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BEARS ARE ROAMIN AROUND IN TEXAS? DONT LET MY DAUGHTER LEAVE THE HOUSE WITHOUT A PIECE

>>31119980
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/usa12.html#usa0712b
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/usa12.html#usa0812
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/usa09.html#usa0709b
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/usa07.html#usa0407f

Not even mad about the amazing gracefag bumping the thread.

On a related note. Some of the best times of my childhood were coming downstairs to see my parents already sitting there recording me and taking pictures of me opening presents

now there'll be parents sitting there holding the video camera not even turned on like "i know our son is going to come downstairs, i know it"

fuck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8YRapsaRfE

seriously though this thread isn't music related and also it's retarded

>>31120108

Yup, in the US. That's why we don't have mass shootings in Canada. If there's any sign of a civilization in decline, it's this.

>>31120141
>now there'll be parents sitting there holding the video camera not even turned on like "i know our son is going to come downstairs, i know it"
lol they fucking dumb then, they kid is dead

>>31120088
a bitch nigga thats that shit i dont like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhc7MEYY-Ho

And America will feel sad and listen to sad indie rock albums instead of taking any sort of action towards gun control.

>>31120157
stay jealous

>>31120108
It's a stupid amendment though.

>>31120167

God still loves you child, it's not too late.

>all of this amazing grace

>>31120167
This. Them parents be dum as hell den

>>31119797
Twenty children in 4th grade or younger were killed in a small community. Yeah, most people will get over this soon, but I don't get how you can't see how impacted that town will be for a long time.

>>31120181
And we'll mourn the losses but discussing the actual cultural implications of this even will become taboo

and when the next mass shooting happens ~6 months from now we'll mourn that too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS93Q4jQAO0

>>31120218
*event

So it happened about half-an-hour drive from where I grew up, in the same state. I tired avoiding the news yesterday to avoid becoming depressed about it; but I had a pretty odd, bloody nightmare last night (my first in years). It's really just an incomprehensible situation to me

>>31120187

Jealous that my beautiful children won't risk getting murdered by psychotic introverts while in the budding stages of their lives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs7MlrxOOWg

>>31119797
I agree with the first half. Those directly affected are fucked, though.

>tfw missed this story completely

>>31120214
Why should I care about that town? Why should you care about that town? If this were going to actually change gun control laws, then sure, I could see caring about it, but it's not going to. Get over it, stop being a pussy, and enjoy your holiday season.

>>31120242
jealous that ur country is irrelevant and could disappear off the map without anyone caring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GInf0lXsyKY

>>31119797
>calm your tits
Get out.

>>31120289

ur mom would miss me banging her every friday night

>>31120317
my mom is dead

>>31120279
>stop being a pussy

I really don't see why some people see caring about this as feminine or even cowardice. I mean, maybe a waste of time, but how is empathy 'weak' in any way

>>31120309
>>>/jezebel/

I don't care about the shooting.
>inb4 edgy

>>31120279
>Why should I care about that town? Why should you care about that town?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy

>>31120289
can you be any more american?

I love how this has turned into a huge "gun law" thing

Guess what?
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15901085-villager-slashes-22-kids-with-knife-at-elemen
tary-school-gates-in-china?lite
http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/21/14014789-ax-wielding-man-kills-3-kids-wounds-13-in
-china?lite

this isn't about guns
the weapon is irrelevant. More kids were killed by the knife wielding man anyways.

If a bat shit crazy person want to walk into a school and murder his mother and a bunch of kids he's going to do that whether or not he can get his hands on a gun.

This guy is pure evil. Mental health is culprit here, not a fucking gun.

>>31120353
but he's right

I know this is 4chan and anons like to pretend like they have no heart, but I'm totally with you OP. Yesterday fucking sucked.

I was listening to Deathconsciousness because it's fairly sad. Then I looked at the name of the first track.
>A Quick One Before The Eternal Worm Devours Connecticut

Huh.

>>31120338
Empathy is for pussies. I'll bang your mom and feel no empathy for you. Get over it, pussy bitch nigga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HORkT4a2MhQ

>>31120376

>>31120338
You mean sympathy, right? Unless some of us have lost loved ones in the family in the same way.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_QntXc-c4

>>31120353
>tfw owning the world the moon and mars

>>31120369
#2spooky

>>31120355
i don't think guns are to blame, but the wide availability of guns in america certainly contributes to the problem.

As an aspiring elementary school teacher, this shooting hit me right in the fucking feels.
I literally broke down when I heard about it.

>>31120410
People like you make America seem a lot more shitty than it is, even if you are trolling

>>31120289
>>31120317
>>31120327

alright

>>31120355

not to mention he apparently tried to buy a rifle but was turned down

>>31120355
>pure evil
No, but he isn't well, mentally.

>>31120355

Every country has psychos. It is easier to stop a knife-wielding psycho than a gun-toting psycho.

Simple.

Sure the masses will forget about it in a week just like they do with every other bad thing that happens in the world. Shit like this happens every day. The thing is though innocent death like this is a horrible thing and should be mourned. There is nothing funny about 9/11, Columbine, Newtown, or any other mass death that occurs in the world.

Death is a horrible thing. It shouldn't be mocked and it should be mourned.

>>31120423

>>31120355
>>31120443
My bad, wrong case.

>>31120436
Well China and the US are both very oppressed countries

>>31120427
>what is satire
Damn, why are Euros so autistic?

>>31120423
>literally

>>31120427
>being this mad over a post
What's wrong, mad that your country isn't as amazin as murica?

>this world is fucking sick

Uh, no, sorry. Only 'murrica.

>>31119874
>greatest tragedy of our time
>bomb the shit out of Japan killing thousands instantly
>bitch and moan when karma comes back to bite your ass

Not an amazing grace video but

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK7GSARUs_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK7GSARUs_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK7GSARUs_Q

also thats my cat, she cried to get in my room almost every night

and someone let her out and shes been gone for weeks

this is her playing xbox with me

>>31120427
shouldnt u be reading karl marx and occupying wallstreet?

>>31120368

better than how if America was wiped off the map people would actually celebrate

>>31120477
dubs

>>31120477
sure a lot of european countries are doing fine but no the world is fucking sick not just america

>>31120472
>>31120467
>implying I don't live in a shitty midwestern city

why is it you people always assume anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly support america or at least joke about it is foreign?

>>31120445
yea, not really
did you read those articles?

I have a fourteen inch machete in the other room and if I so decided to walk into an elementary school and start hacking people up who is going to stop me?

A handgun would be no different
its overkill, sure, but irrelevant when it comes to attacking unarmed innocent people

>>31120355
>guy is China slashes 22 kids
>every kid survived and most were able to go home and hug their parents the same day
That's the fucking difference.

>>31120479
>implying 9/11 had anything to do with WWII

>>31120518
>if I so decided to walk into an elementary school and start hacking people up who is going to stop me?
just stop dude 4chan or not that's disgusting

>>31120355
none of those 22 kids died though

>>31120479
>bomb the shit out of Japan killing thousands instantly
>greatest tragedy of our time
>implying the bombings of Japan were the worst bombings in history

holy shit dude yeah we killed 50,000 people in one day during the worst war humanity has seen

>>31120500
>>31120368

>>31120477
I don't know you're satirizing america, or the people that think that america is the sickest place in the world. Certainly bad things happen here, but they happen everywhere. So yea, this, if taken as a serious statement, is fucking stupid.

Liberal, Conservative, American, or European, at the end of the day, there is one thing we all can agree on:

America is way more relevant than all the countries in Europe put together.

>>31120332
edgy and pathetic

>>31120500
>>31120477
>>31120355
>>31120277
>>31120233
>>31120111
>>31120088
>>31120066
>>31119955

>>31120378
>see thread
>start laughing at all the amazing grace videos
>oh look another one
>LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOO
>LOL
seriously sucks for those people though. heart goes out to them

>>31120445
Not without a gun it isn't.

>>31120369
I'm not pretending. It just didn't affect me at all. I've come to accept that the human nature will never fail to disappoint for how hideous it is and you either accept it with a tone of indifference or let it affect you in the way it has affected so many people in this thread.

And the people affected are suffering. Be it for a few hours or a few days, they are in empathetic pain for the ones lost and it might not have been a sign of weakness one hundred years ago, but it is one now, because good people are prey today. And all the people who care are good people and I mean that as a terrible insult.

>>31120483
i hope you find your cat
i know how it feels

>>31120589
because gun laws would totally strip our police of guns too

i think it's wrong how so many will just say "oh he's just one mentally ill individual" and write the whole thing off like that. then in another few months, the same type of situation will happen, and the shooter will be written off as just another line wolf psycho.

fact of the matter is, there's something ingrained in american culture which makes us more susceptible to these mass killings. pretending every shooter is an anomaly won't help the problem. this is something we need to work on as a nation.

>>31120479
That's not even how karma works.
0/10

>>31120606
WELL GOOD CUZ FUCK DA POLICE MAN THEY STUPID NEW WORLD ORDER

>>31120565
No shit. It's still a world power and heavily influential. No one would give a shit if, say, Sweden suffered the same case with 20 kids.

>>31120596
you're a good person yourself bro, I get the reason for your dickery

>>31120518
Not one child died in the China situation, every child died in the Newtown shooting. Fuck off.

http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/12/14/man-stabs-22-children-at-chinese-elementary-school
/

>It said the children, whose ages are not known, suffered non-life-threatening injuries.

>>31119797
>if i act like i don't care everyone will think i'm so cool!! anonymousse is lejion!!
>>>/b/

>>31120606
Because the police are totally going to get there in time to stop a machete-wielding man from chopping up kiddies, right? Hell, what's to keep him from taking a hostage?

And then all wars ended / Arms of every kind were outlawed and the masses gladly contributed them to giant foundries in which they were melted down and the metal poured back into the earth / The Pentagon was turned on its side and painted purple, yellow & green / All boundaries were dissolved / The slaughter of animals was forbidden / The whole of lower Manhattan became a meadow in which unfortunates from the Bowery were allowed to live out their fantasies in the sunshine and were cured / People swam in the sparkling rivers under blue skies streaked only with incense pouring from the new factories / The energy from dismantled nuclear weapons provided free heat and light / World health was restored / An abundance of organic vegetables, fruits and grains was growing wild along the discarded highways / National flags were sewn together into brightly colored circus tents under which politicians were allowed to perform harmless theatrical games / The concept of work was forgotten

>imlpying the first step towards utopia isn't the outlawing of weaponry

>>31120104
>actually thinking he is serious
>saying bitch tits
>ever.
get out.

>>31120613
It's called people being stressed the fuck out and being driven to near insanity. Also drugs, PTSD, and plenty of other external factors that result in poor mental health. It isn't being "written off". At the same time, it's not like it'll stop. It's happened once before, and it'll happen again at some point.

>>31120596
well if being a good person is a bad thing then damn

>>31120683
>

>>31120518
>I've come to accept that the human nature will never fail to disappoint for how hideous it is

just curious do you think this hideous nature applies to you too?

>>31120677
no matter how legal guns become no teacher is going to be carrying a sidearm either, and it's not like a random macho dad with a shotgun is going to be there to stop an assailant

>>31120683
i love you terry

>>31120683
>tfw don't live in a wonderful utopia

>>31120677
A knife required physical effort, strength, and leaves you in a vulnerable postion. You have to kill one person at a time, which lets the others escape. Someone with a gun can fire indiscriminately and kill dozens easily with almost no effort.

>>31120677

I can't believe you seriously think that if someone walks into a school with a machete looking to kill everyone he's going to be just as successful as someone with a gun.

>>31120753
My point is that it still takes effort to take out an armed man, whether he have a gun or a blade.

>>31120748

He loves you too.

What made me cry was seeing a dad and his kid having fun at the park while I was on my lunch break. I was thinking that they'll never be able to have moments like that again.

>>31120779
w-why not...

>>31120768
Not really. Only if they have a hostage, in every other situation it would be much easier to take out a man without a gun.

>>31120768
of course it still takes effort

the difference is if he has a knife you can get within ~1 yard of him without dozens of little pieces of metal flying through your brain

>>31119797
im with you. i can understand if you knew someone related to the incident, but people that are actually crying from this are pathetic. yeah, its not a good thing when 26 children get shot and killed, but you dont cry over it. its not your kid. this is just another way for people to feel like they are a part of something. in a month, when the news covers something else, everyone will forget and move on to other shit. just another thing sheeple like to discuss to sound relevant

>>31120725
no i was only trying to prove a point

I have no desire to walk into a school and hack people...
my point was that trying to stop a person with a 14 inch blade and trying to stop a man with a gun is pretty much not going to work.
Its certainly harder to stop a man with a handgun, but if you are an unarmed innocent teacher in a school whats the fucking difference?

>>31120821

you're a clever boy bet your parents are proud of you

>tfw crying is becoming a bad habit

>yfw Anakin Skywalker strikes in Newtown, CT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwkE4trA48

>>31120807
...That's what I-- Yes, it's easier. Of course it is. But you've gotta be kidding if you think it's easy to fend off a man with a 14-inch machete. You don't need a hostage to be a threat. You have a lethal weapon.

>>31120596
I don't think human nature is like that. I think the media makes it seem like a lot of awful things are happening all the time but the reality is 99% of all the good things people do never gets talked about. For example, music is something that is very good and also something fundamentally connected to human nature. And the amount of music that humans create is mind-boggling, and the reason this board even exists in the first place.

I think once you get stuck in this mindset that everyone is basically evil then it becomes very easy to get lost in depression.

>inb4 I'm a faggot.

>>31120827
>but if you are an unarmed innocent teacher in a school whats the fucking difference?
You are much more likely to be unable to escape from or stop a man with a gun. And if you DO get hit, you're less likely to die from a knife slash than a gun wound. That's the difference. Just look at the difference in results between the China stabbings and the Connecticut shootings.

>>31120821
>sheeple

WHY IS EVERYONE DUMB BUT ME

>>31120827
alright. I just get annoyed when people talk about this horrible disgusting violent human nature that lives inside everyone but them.

>but if you are an unarmed innocent teacher in a school whats the fucking difference?
Know what the difference is? You can run away from a knife. If a crowd of people are running away from a guy with a knife he's fucked. There's nothing he can do. A crowd of people running away from a man with a gun and 12 bullets results in 12 dead.

If I was there the guy with the gun woulda shot him self as soon as he saw me coming for him

>I was having a drunken conversation last night with a friend about the technicalities and logistics of a school shooting: Ie. how many rounds we'd need; the route around the classrooms we'd take; how we'd stop the teachers and students escaping and/or contacting authorities/other people; and how we'd escape and not get caught.

>mfw when I watched the news this afternoon.

>>31120920
>You can run away from a knife
Not in a school setting, you can't. Standard procedure is to lock the kids in a classroom. You don't run anywhere. If someone finds their way into the room, somebody is going to be injured.

>>31120868
My grandfather was a cane-cutter in the Caribbean, I've wielded a machete before. The one thing that's strikes you is how absolutely difficult it is to slash more than a couple times without having to stop to catch your breath. A gun isn't just much more difficult to escape from, it's less personal and requires MUCH less effort.

>>31120920
>WHY IS EVERYONE DUMB BUT ME
Holy fuck you arrogant, pretentious, fuck-wit. Filtered.

>>31120963
>somebody is going to be injured
fairly different from the whole room of people being killed

>>31120963
They're not fucking equal. Just look at the China stabbings; literally every child survived. How can you not understand this point?

>>31120990
neat

>>31121000
>>31120977
That does not mean that everyone escapes unharmed. You are still at threat.

>>31121006
I didn't say they were equal. I said they are both a threat. I literally just said this in >>31120868

>>31121021
trlled

>>31120901
look man, there are certainly many 'fine degrees' and details concerning what type of weapon a person descends on a school with, but in the end it doesn't matter, you still have a fucking crazy ass person there with A weapon and the intent to harm and kill people

I guess a home-made flamethrower would be a little more difficult to escape than a handgun too
Even more difficult, a bazooka or handgrenade could do much more damage.
How about deadly gasses?
Or how about a forty inch rapier ?

People are making this about guns when it really shouldn't be. A weapon is a weapon, and if you got a crazy person behind it with the desire to kill many people, you have a pretty difficult situation to begin with

The focus should be on mental health and preventative measures, not which weapon to outlaw next, because if you got a crazy person, they will find a way

>>31120868
you can block the weapon by picking up a chair or something.

multiple people could bum rush the assailant with this kind of protection and stop them without anyone necessarily dying.

there really is no comparison. there should be a little more regulation involved with buying something that can end someone's life from ten-100+ feet away in one second.

where are you 2nd amendment zealots living, candyland ?

>>31121046
>you still have a fucking crazy ass person there with A weapon and the intent to harm and kill people
Exactly what I said over three times, which for some reason he seems to be ignoring.

>>31121035
Everything's a fucking threat if the person wielding it wants to be

give a madman a spoon and he can fuck someone up pretty bad, but that doesn't mean we should say "well, might as well give him a gun then"

>>31121005

No one said they are equal, they are saying they are both tragedies. Why do you care if people think they are equal anyways?

>>31120871
I was beginning to think I'd never find anyone that agreed with me on that.

>>31121087
I have no idea why it linked to that thread.

>>31121087
wat

>>31121081
>Everything's a fucking threat if the person wielding it wants to be
So why exactly are you two arguing with me if you agree?
>>31121081
>but that doesn't mean we should say "well, might as well give him a gun then"
I don't recall anyone saying that, but okay.

Dead Amerifat children, the best Christmas present anyone get! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I'm glad those fuckers died, probably deserved it.

>All of those Christmas presents that will never be opened
Imagine looking at those presents piled around the tree for your kid.

>>31121135
see
>>31121132

>>31121137
I'm arguing with you because pointing out that a knife is also dangerous does nothing to negate a gun being dangerous

>>31121139
>>>/b/

>>31121164
This is the saddest thing I've read all year.

>>31121167
wat

>>31121139
Edgy

>>31121139
0/10 try harder

>>31121174
>pointing out that a knife is also dangerous does nothing to negate a gun being dangerous
Who was trying to disprove that a gun is dangerous? I sure wasn't. As a matter of fact, I was arguing the EXACT opposite of your statement. You seem to be confused.

>>31120821
>>31120821
>>31120821

>>31121197
You obviously don't read much.

>>31121214
He doesn't need to, since you dumbasses replied to it.

>>31121215
I assumed you were this anon

>>31121137
>I don't recall anyone saying that, but okay.
of course no one said that.

but why would you get defensive about people wanting stricter regulation on purchasing "domestic" firearms?

think about it a little bit more than not at all. who needs a gun RIGHT NOW?... someone who definitely SHOULD NOT HAVE A GUN.

these 2nd amendment people keep saying things like, "i've been around guns all my life our parents told us to respect them blah blah bleh bleh bleeeh bluh..." okay well then if you RESPECT the power of this kind of weapon then why would you insist that someone be able to just run out and get them on a whim ?

>>31121046
Why do you refuse to admit that the tool itself matters? An A-bomb is going to inflict more damage than a fleet wielding guns, which is why we try to stop worldwide nuclear proliferation.

>but in the end it doesn't matter, you still have a fucking crazy ass person there with A weapon and the intent to harm and kill people
So the difference in casualties between the results of stabbing sprees and massacres with guns are just small details? What kind of mental gymnastics you have to perform to avoid seeing the obvious: it's easier for a crazy person to kill more people if they are able to get ahold of a more dangerous weapon.

>>31121174
and I'm arguing with all of you (and the outlaw guns! crowd) because showing that a handgun is more dangerous than a knife does nothing to negate the fact that the person behind the weapon is dangerous in general.

Imagine in 15 years guns are illegal and a person attacks a school with an axe. Is it less tragic? Imagine the janitor rigs the school with explosives. Is it more tragic?

Who cares HOW tragic it is, we should focus on preventing these incidents in general, not on outlawing this weapon or that weapon

Start with the people behind them. How the fuck did no one notice this guy was an unstable psychopath capable of something of this?

Increase public health, mental awareness, and programs for this stuff.
Stopping guns doesn't stop psychopaths

>>31121299
>Imagine the janitor rigs the school with explosives.
Epic.

>>31121268
I am. Do I really need to explain AGAIN?
>It is easier to stop a knife-wielding psycho than a gun-toting psycho.
>Not without a gun it isn't.
Perhaps I shouldn't have worded it that way, but my point was, it's still going to be a difficult task. A gun would make that task simple. Yes, taking out a man with a gun would be more difficult.
>Police, etc.
The police are armed. Those in the school building, aside from maybe the school officer are not. If someone were to get in with a knife, machete, or whatever, the police would not be there in time to keep someone from getting hurt. He is still a threat. I was not arguing that a gun is not dangerous.

Are we through here?

>>31121062
And you seem to be ignore he obvious point: the China stabbings had absolutely no casualties, the Aurora shooting, the Sikh temple shooting, and the Sandy Hook shooting all had massive casualties that couldn't be achieved with one person wielding a knife.

>>31121356
so what are you arguing FOR

>>31121370
>And you seem to be ignore he obvious point
Oh god, i'm tired

>>31121371
That a man armed with a knife is still dangerous, and saying
>But those kids are still alive
Does NOT change the fact that they were still in danger.

>>31120846

iktfb. I feel like I'm constantly fighting back tears in public.

>tfw their living friends will be scarred for life

>>31121395
I think having been in danger is a hell of a lot better than being dead

Hell, I've been in danger when crossing the street

>>31121370
...Dude. You completely missed my point. You really spent 10 minutes arguing that I'm ignorant to the perceived threat of a man armed with a gun?

>>31121347
lol ya..

but my point is that people who want to hurt or kill a lot of other people will find a way

Its not like this guy just decided thursday night that he would buy a gun "down at the store" friday morning and then blast a bunch of innocent elementary school kids and his mother..

Even if getting that gun was difficult he still had the drive and desire to do what he did; he was going to do it no matter what.
Maybe he gets a gun through the blackmarket, maybe he constructs small explosives, maybe he sets the school on fire, maybe he charges in with a slew of bladed weapons.
Doesnt matter
a crazy fucker is a crazy fucker

>>31121415
>implying there friends weren't all killed too

>>31121370
A tragedy is a tragedy. Why do you care so much that people say the U.S tragedies are so much worse? Kids got killed/injured, there is no need to talk about which is "Worse"

>>31121462
>A tragedy is a tragedy.
He gets it.
>>31121370
You still don't.

>>31121443
Stop being a jackass. I'm obviously responding to the pro-gun equivalency argument. We can't change human nature, but we can keep the really dangerous stuff away from crazy people.

You guys are a bunch of fucking emotionally stunted teenage pussies. Thousands of people die in more horrible ways every day, you gonna cry about them too? No? So why is this so special, because it got media coverage, such that news corporations could profit from it? Grow the fuck up. Getting upset over the misfortune of people you don't know is completely illogical; it's in human nature, yes, but intelligent people should have the strength to overcome that. god I hate /mu/

>>31121462
>>31121484
I'm glad I'm not the only crazy one here..

>the guy who posted the china article to begin with

>>31121553
>>>/b/

>>31121563
>Implying /b/ isn't just as bad as /mu/
Have you been there lately? It's all cancer.

>>31121546
>we can keep the really dangerous stuff away from crazy people.

yea, the whole point of everything I posted is that, no, you really can't

>>31121462
Are you fucking stupid? It's a response the "it's the person, not the tool" argument. I'm using China as an example of a country with strict gun laws, therefore their tragedy didn't escalate to something like ours.

>>31121561
but you were wrong about the china guy killing more (or anywhere near as man) kids

>>31119737
i feel you op. i didnt(yet) cry but i feel so bad for them.

>>31121598
China seems to be doing a pretty good job at it. As are many European nations.

>>31121561
Aren't you the one who said more kids died in the china attack?

>>31121590
>hurrr they're not edgy like me!
>fuckin newfag cancer
>anon is legion
>etc
>>>/b/

>>31121635
You still have not refuted any of my points but nice demonstration of ad hominem

>>31121546
>I'm responding to the pro-gun argument
No one was making that argument. The person who posted the article about the Chinese man was saying "It's not the guns that's the problem, it's the dude who gets the weapon." You CAN'T keep dangerous shit away from people. If it isn't a gun, then it'll be a knife. Plus, changing gun laws now won't keep anyone from getting a gun. If one has the intent of committing murder, I'm sure gun theft/illegal purchase of a gun isn't far out of the question. I wasn't "being a jackass". I was simply telling you that you missed the point. Completely.

>>31121603
>therefore their tragedy didn't escalate to something like ours.

A tragedy is a tragedy.

>>31121603
That will not work in the U.S.
>It worked in China and the U.K.
They've been anti-gun from the get-go. The United States has had weaponry available to the public for centuries. There is already a huge weapons market. No gun law is going to change the fact that we still have a massive number of weapons available to us.

>>31121623
People still get guns if they want them, in the case of countries with strict gun laws, it is usually criminals who are getting them.

If you take (legal) guns away from the public, you are fucking them over.

>>31121703
are you seriously trying to argue that the situation in china is on par with the situation in sandy hook simply because they're both unfortunate?

>>31120355
>I love how this has turned into a huge "gun law" thing
>starts ranting about anti-gun law with misinterpreted facts
MUH SIDES are as crazy as your "MUH GUNS"

>>31121603
By the way "Pro-gun" and "You can't stop a man from getting a gun regardless" are not the same argument.

>>31121765
>are you seriously trying to argue that the situation in china is on par with the situation in sandy hook simply because they're both unfortunate?

Did I say they were on par? Who cares if they are on par, you don't sweep one tragedy under the rug because people didn't die.

>>31121703
>killing 20 children is the same as injuring that many therefore lets not talk about gun rights

>>31121689
I'm sorry, but seem to be making the same mistake as this guy>>31121703
How can you point to an article where as many children were targeted but 100% survived as a pro "it's the user not the tool" argument?

>>31121793
>Did I say they were on par?
"a tragedy is a tragedy" kind of insinuates that, yeah.

>>31121765
Dude,
>>31121484
>>31121462
>>31121395
How many times do we have to repeat this?

>>31121752
If you provide guns to the people, then some of them will use them to kill other people.
The benefits are canceled by the disadvantages.

>>31121815
Sorry, I'm not gonna use a tragedy to further any personal agenda's I may have.

just imagine when the parents come home to all their kids toys already wrapped and ready for them and they wont get them. fuck im crying now.

>>31121823
Both are horrible events, there is no need for a discussion on which was worse.

>>31121815
...Those children, despite the fact that they did not die, were still in danger and still harmed. A man still got a weapon, still entered the area where the children were, and still harmed children. It's not a matter of "dead or alive" it's a matter of whether or not they are safe. In both cases, they were not. This is the fifth time I've said this.

>>31121855
>3 major gun masacres is the past 6 months
So when are we able to start talking about it? After the next masacre? Or the one after that?

>>31121918
Prohibition didn't stop drinkers. Gun laws will not stop murderers.

I was at the mall today, shopping for presents with my fiancee and all of a sudden, this song played over the speaker. The moment the children's choir came in, I had to take a minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Vfp48laS8

;_;

>guns being sold at walmart
>dat army and gun culture

i'm sorry for the kids but you americans have it in your culture, you need to step up and ban guns

I was in BK when i saw the news, and it got tough not to cry into my Whiplash Whopper ;_;

>>31121918
Start looking into better mental health facilities. The way to stop these massacres is to stop them at the source, not the way they are doing them.

>>31119737
I know that feel OP. I was practicing piano yesterday with the news on in the background and I just started to break down. I didn't cry for 9/11 (too young to comprehend what was going on) and wasn't really affected by the Aurora massacre but this one for some reason got to me. God I just keep imagining those parents who had their Christmas shopping done and the president's speech. This is just fucking terrible

>>31121929
>Murder laws don't stop murderers. Gun laws will not stop murders.
>Rape laws don't stop rapist. Gun laws will not stop murders.
look! I can make skewed comparisons too!

BANNING WEAPONS IN USA IS STUPID

you arealdy have laws that put people inside jail if they kill someone or that kill people (and in this case they will not even be able to kill other guys anymore no matter if we pass some law that give one gun to each human in usa).

Baning guns would be like banning the knife if someone many guys start to use it to kill people.
Or not letting people grown vegetables if some guys start to not be carefull about it.


>Teacher:Welcome to first grade, remember we have some rule here, if you call someone with cellphones inside class you are suspended.
>same kid do it alot of times, being suspended and when he goes back to school he do it again
>EVERYONE IS NOT ABLE TO BRING THE CELLPHONE TO CLASS, EVEN IF YOU TURN IT OFF,

This is the most reddit thread on /mu/ right now.

Fuck sake.

>>31121917
>It's not a matter of "dead or alive" it's a matter of whether or not they are safe.
It matters if you misrepresent the facts and claim that a man with a knife killed more children to suit your own pro-gun argument.

>>31121984
This is the most /b/ thread on /mu/ right now.

Fuck sake.

>>31121931
>you need to step up and ban guns
The point is that banning guns is pointless, since they will still be widely available.
>>31121957
This is similar to my earlier post, >>31120713
The problem is not the gun. It is the man armed with the gun.
>>31120355
>If a bat shit crazy person want to walk into a school and murder his mother and a bunch of kids he's going to do that whether or not he can get his hands on a gun.
>mental health is the culprit, not a fucking gun
My point exactly.

>>31121978
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
And that's a pretty normal progression of regulations actually.

>>31121929
Laws don't stop murderers and thieves. What's your point? We should accept gun violence because it's very difficult to stop?

why is everyone itt talking about the christmas gifts, what kind of person has already gone christmas shopping over a week before christmas (ghanafag here, maybe it's just your commercial, materialistic american culture i don't understand)

>school shooting turns into america vs. europe thread
fucking hell guys

/(.)*/i;op:yes;stub:no;boards:pol;

>>31121930
ah fuck, anon. you've got me sobbing now.

>>31122010
>since they will still be widely available.
how? these kids shot their schools because their parents have guns in their houses.

by banning them they are going to be way more regulated. and while it won't stop crimes, it may lower them

>>31121984
>le reddit is bad amirite guise xD
newtrip pls

>>31121972
That was not skewed. Prohibition banned the use of alcohol, and as a result, Americans illegal distributed and consumed alcohol. This also began a streak of organized crime as well as gave birth to the Mafia and other covert organizations. It would not be out of the question to assume that weaponry, another product of high demand, being banned would result in much of the same, if not something similar. There will still be people getting guns. There will still be the threat to people's safety. A murderer already planned on breaking the law, what's one more? Meanwhile, someone who might defend himself with a gun has more difficulty getting one himself.

>>31120645
>implying people didn't give a shit about norway

>>31122077
Banning them does not mean you clean out the inventory of the country.

>>31119797
Clearly a young punk internet tough guy with NO children.

inb4 I have children

no you dont,
no,
you dont

>>31122024
>You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
WHY?
saying that my shit is retarded only made me try to check again for logical errors, with I didnt found.

Explain why I am wrong or this would not work

>>31122095
There's kind of a large difference between manufacturing and smuggling alcohol in the 1920s and manufacturing and smuggling guns in 2010s.

>>31122127
>with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8RvJ8N_MS8

>Pursuit happiness... With diligence

;_;

>>31122036
We DON'T accept gun violence. Banning guns will not prevent someone with the intent of murder getting a gun. If he wants one, he will get one, regardless of any law.

>>31122118
regulation of gun users clears them out nigga

>>31122024
>You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
WHY?
saying that my shit is retarded only made me try to check again for logical errors, with I didnt found.

Explain why I am wrong or what you are trying to do (prove to me and people why I am wrong) will not work

>>31120683
Fucking hippie, plz go

>>31122127
>Or not letting people grown vegetables if some guys start to not be carefull about it.
If English is your first language, you may have trisomy 21.

>>31122095
>weaponry
>product of high demand

only in america

>>31122154
And for those who already have guns?

>>31122170
Actually, no. Not only in America. It's a multi-billion dollar industry worldwide.

I just want to say that anyone arguing guns will still be widely available/only in the hands of criminals should first look at countries that HAVE been smart enough to enact gun control.

>>31122151
except we do accept gun violence. open up any newspaper in the US and chances are you will read some story about an armed robbery, or some domestic shooting, or something similar. not only do we accept gun violence but gun violence has become a part of the American culture

>>31122155
lmao is it cuz u didnt get dubs the first time that u repost now u got 55 :-D congrats!

These are the only gun kids should be shot with

>>31122095
Except guns can't be brewed in your basement, whatever are you talking about. A very large portion of guns on the underworld come from US government sanctioned distributors and manufacturers. The stuff comes from the US government itself, so while tighter gun laws won't stop smuggling from happening, it sure will cripple it and make them harder to get.

>>31120189
It was made so if the government got too fucked up the people could rise up and overthrow it.

Of course a militia of hicks and niggers with pistols and .22s wouldnt do jack shit to a modern military, but it's still the basic concept of why we're allowed to have guns.

>>31122183
I don't see other countries selling guns at walmart

>>31122195
>informing people that it happens is the equivalent of accepting it
This is why we have investigations behind murders and rewards for turning these people in, right? Of course it's part of the culture. That doesn't mean it's encouraged.

>>31122191
that argument has been argued to death man, come on. i don't wanna be a dick because you were nice to me in that thread and made me felt better

I know your feel OP, yesterday was the first time I've really felt in a while.

Yesterday we also had the best feel thread ever.

http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S31096566

>>31120108
the 18th will always stop the production of alcoholic beverages get over it gaylord
>oh wait

>>31120758
No, you're right, he wouldnt. BUT he'd still fuck people up before he was done.

>>31122204
Weapons can still be distributed through private means. Just because it wouldn't be legal doesn't mean it wouldn't happen.
>Make them harder to get
You mean aside from buying them illegally/stealing/smuggling, etc? It might be a bit harder, but it won't be impossible. Hell, travel south, and you can just buy a gun at a gun show, no certification needed.

>>31120369

I guess I am bipolar because I feel very bad for the parents but can't help but laugh at crude jokes about it.

>>31122191

>>31121666
what points? "it's all cancer!" isn't a point
>hurr don't use ad hominems
>original point is just pure ad hominem
please fuck off >>>/b/

>>31122299
are you really this retarded

Who cares if a few people get shot? Guns should be legal. Also, no if guns were made illegal it would still be easy as fuck to buy one illegally, it's just good to have the piece of mind of a legal firearm.

>>31122299
>Weapons can still be distributed through private means
But can't be manufactured by anyone, this is absolutely essential. Guns proceed from the government sanctioned distributors, not from some mafioso's house. Understanding this is essential. Most of the guns on the underworld are US manufactured too.

>>31122318
>being this informed about bipolar disorder

Can someone american and in favor of gun regulation quote this post please

>>31122365
*uninformd

>>31122337
Gun laws are not a solution, they are a diversion. The laws are not the real problem.
>>31122358
>but can't be manufactured
We still have loads of pre-existing weaponry. There's hardly a need for manufacturing.

>>31122077
>so new you don't know oldfags

>>31122202
>lmao is it cuz u didnt get dubs the first time that u repost now u got 55 :-D congrats!
back to the topic please. i reposted because of some mistake

>The United States has about five percent of the total world population but residents of the United States own about 42 percent of all the world's civilian-owned firearms.
It's too late to go back, guns are too plentiful in the US to ban. The gun nuts have already won

>>31122358

>>31122399
lmao ok.

>>31122386
>needing license and approval for owning gun
>harder restrictions to buy a gun
>guns not widely available

>bad

ok

>>31122386
However, still limited. And making gun shows where you can buy a gun with some ID and a 2 minute "background check" would be illegal as well, or at least, some relevant party would be aware that you bought a gun instead of just waiting until you have an arsenal fit for a small army obtained from ant purchases for them to know about it.

>>31122428
lmao that's cray

sad to say it's american culture now

>>31122470
You already need a license. Restriction would be on stores selling guns, and I've already made the point that people who want them will get them. Guns will always be widely available, since we've been buying and selling them for centuries.

>>31122466
Still needs shells. And you aren't seriously comparing legally available assault rifles to that, right?

>>31122378
>Can someone american and in favor of gun regulation quote this post please
we already have gun regulation

>>31122492
Who the fuck cares man? You can keep a hard drive full of child porn you download from 4chan without the government breathing down your neck why can't a citizen own as many fucking guns as they want?

>>31122543
No, but I'm comparing the fact that even if "all guns are taken off da streets" guns can still be home manufactured, and people will still be killed one way or another.

Jeff Mangum Died for Your Sins,
I would just like say I commend you for arguing with these morons. Your points have been valid and I'm glad to see not everyone on /mu/ is a complete twit.

>>31122568
sage. reported. closed my blinds.
enjoy your ban pedo scum

>>31122568
>why can't a citizen own as many fucking guns as they want?
Because they might be used to actually arm a small army for some local druglord? As opposed to arming a small army with some hard drives with child porn inside.

>>31122328

This is such a blatantly retarded cartoon I don't even know what else to say

>>31122191
>I just want to say that anyone arguing guns will still be widely available/only in the hands of criminals should first look at countries that HAVE been smart enough to enact gun control.
Like Mexico? Oh wait, you only want me to look at the countries that you cherry-pick, right?

>>31122768
yeah, they would just go in anyway, obv the cartooinsit didn't realize criminals do not obey rules

>>31121299
>How the fuck did no one notice this guy was an unstable psychopath capable of something of this?

I don't know. How the fuck do you sell a gun to an unstable psychopath.

>>31122768
It can be a good example. People who have unregistered guns will still have them if gun control laws take guns off the streets.

>inb4hurrdurr

>>31122502
>You already need a license.
Not in most of the United States.

>>31122773
>Like Mexico? Oh wait, you only want me to look at the countries that you cherry-pick, right?

Which would be benefited from US gun control laws, ironically. You see, gun control is even an issue on an international scale!

>>31122548
it doesn't seem so

>>31122502
>>31122587
>have mentalities like this
>get butthurt when someone comments edgy shit about the kids

well what to say?

>>31122773
Do you realize that most of the guns in mexico come from the USA?

>>31122773
Mexico is an outlier. First, they has similar gun laws to the US until about 1960, so many are still in circulation; second, its proximity to the border makes it incredibly easy to smuggle guns from the US into Mexico (reflect on how easy it is to smuggle people over that border); third, Mexicans can still legally own low caliber guns; and fourth, most of that violence is cartel related rather than domestic massacres .

>>31122825
But there wouldn't be new guns available, which is already an advantage. Whatever case, gun laws or not, the result would be the same, they rob the bank. It's not like the old lady inside will pull out a beretta from her purse, like they always do on those shitty pro-gun comics.

>>31122242
In what way does it not make sense?

>>31122773
Howabout we choose countries similar to us culturally and economically?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting
>The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.
>Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing an orange jumpsuit and a trenchcoat, he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others before leaving, intending to drive off campus and conduct another shooting at the nearby Pearl Junior High School. However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother's car. Then Myrick demanded "Why did you shoot my kids?" to which Woodham replied, "Life has wronged me, sir."