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God damn it try again

>>26593814
4/10

>>26593880
beat me to it

>>26593880 lol'd

>>26593839
>The Last Baron
>mfw

Should I bother with Tool? I have a friend that is obsessed with them and their fanbase always says that they create some outstanding music.

Probably this.

>>26593940
I still get shivers and feels sometimes.

Making me pick only one is murder upon my soul.

>>26593961
Give them a shot and form your own opinion. I'd say go Lateralus > Aenima > 10,000 Days > Undertow. I like it. Some people don't. They're worth a shot, though.

Most likely.

>>26593961

Unlike other bands fanbases which frequently proclaim the bands they like make bad music?

1 / 10 fuck off

>>26593814

>>26593961
If you want to be a pleb, than by all means.

>>26593958

>>26593961
They suck. Prog for the peanut gallery.

>>26593997

>getting upset

No, but I don't hear "masterpiece" used as liberally as I do with them.

probably this

>>26593961

They're good.

I also Recomend This album

13th Step: A perfect Circle

It's great

>>26593999
he probably just copypasted that from wikipedia

>>26594049

4/10

>>26593999

I lol'd, hard.

>>26594049
Ahhh yes. This is a good album that I would recommend.

>>26594049
I'd be no better off than if I decided to listen to Evanescence.

I always used to argue with a friend about Tool. She liked Deftones, Porcupine Tree, and Tool. I only liked PT but hated the other two and always just thought I couldn't into the other two. Then in my adult years I realized it was because Deftones and Tool both suck large cox

This one.

By the looks of this thread, I'd think /b/tards had found and infected /mu/

maybe this, not sure. there are a lot to choose from.

>>26594131
Your story pleases me.

>>26594131
B-but Deftones are good and aren't achingly pretentious.
>>26593999
Does this make anyone else think about how a /mu/tant must sound to another person at all?

Masterpiece.

>>26594121

13th Step > Evanescence

>>26594206

>talking to people
>costanza.m3u

>>26594131
I used to be under the impression that /mu/ only pretended to hate Tool. I thought that Schism was an okay song, but I hadn't heard any of their other material. That was before I sat through an entire album at a LAN party. Now they're filed under the DO NOT LISTEN category along with Muse and Coheed and Cambria.

I don't know what's worse, Maynard James Keenan's halting, breathy singing or the overall tunelessness and overwrought nu metal-esque melancholy of the songs themselves.

>>26594206

I still think this about some of the people on here.

>>26594260
I honestly think Toby tried too hard with this group. Parts of it just come off as cheesy to me.

>>26594206
a tr00 /mu/tant would never listen to tool. or talk to people, for that matter

>>26594233
Holy fuck, you might be retarded.

I always thought there must be something I was missing with tool, because absolutely everything I'd been exposed to from them was so damn boring.
I thought there must be something exciting.
So I dug through their music, and found nothing exciting. It was all pretty mellow, low-key, almost muddled mood music.
Then I found out from a guy I knew who was classically trained that there is, in fact, something I'd been missing. The time signatures. Since I'm not classically trained, and had (at that point) pretty much only played punk rock and blues music, I didn't have the theoretical appreciation for time signatures and such that someone with a background in music theory does. Apparently Tool does some amazing stuff with time signatures, and things of that nature.

It was at that moment I realized that maybe not being classically trained, which I had always regretted previously, wasn't such a bad thing.

>>26594233
What is?

>>26594505

Lacking the thing that prevented you from understanding was a bad thing?

How dumb are you exactly? Ignorance must really be bliss.

>>26594505
>listening to bad music just because the player has "skill"

thats just like every pleb metal bands fan

>>26594585

The Blue Record by Baroness.

>>26593961

I think they're good. A lot of people on /mu/ call them "fake prog" but a significant portion of /mu/ also enjoys Radiohead and the bands really aren't that different in their approach. They both make accessible music with a touch of experimentation.

>>26594601
It's not that lacking understanding is a good thing. It's just that I'm glad I don't care about stupid theoretical bullshit that is irrelevant to most of the population. The music of people who play with theory, like say, Iannis Xenakis, is valid because what they do theoretically allows them to access things that are emotionally powerful. But when the value is in playing with theory itself, and is completely without value emotionally, and is even inaccessible to people without the academic training to understand, I call it "bullshit".

Sorry I've offended you so much that you feel the need to insult me, but you must really be butthurt. Fuck you and fuck your shitty pseudo-metal.

This, so hard.

>>26594664
Radiohead actually know how to write a decent melody.

>>26594505
Not necessarily. I've played standup bass in an orchestra since 12 (8 years) and taken music theory classes and still hate the tool. Anyone can count to 7 over and over, it's not difficult. The hard part is actually making that 7/4 sig sound good despite being contrary to common expectation, but tool doesn't even do that. They're just toddlers learning to count up to ten up and down randomly chosen scales.

>>26594682
was the classically trained guy a big fan of Tool? Maybe he was just saying that their time signatures are a reason that they are regarded highly.

>>26594682

lel.

You don't need academic training to understand time signatures man.

>>26594682
>>26594682

You've assumed that I'm defending Tool & not just pointing out that you're an idiot

>when the value is in playing with theory itself, and is completely without value emotionally,
prove that it is without value emotionally, prove that.
> and is even inaccessible to people without the academic training to understand, I call it "bullshit".
Oh well, if you call bullshit that that's all that matters. Just because it's inaccessible to you don't go projecting your own inadequacies onto others.

By your same reasoning anything which everyone does not have the academic reasoning to understand is worthless. Thus we live in a world of the lowest common denominator, nothing is ever advanced & we sit in our own faeces masturbating.

I like Tool, but I'm glad I only got into them in recent years, because I'd have been insufferable if I'd discovered them as a teenager.

>>26594720

Yeah Tool aren't the most melodic band around, but that's kind of the point.

The only thing worse than tool fans are the tool-haters.

>>26594868
You're ignoring the part of my post where I mention the validity of innovation if it's effective (my Xenakis example).
People who use theoretical innovation for good results are like the folks searching for new medicines.
Tool's experimentation results in nothing powerful or valid. Tool's work is analogous to folks making new masturbation toys.

Have fun with your musical fleshlight, little buddy.

>>26593814
/mu/ hates tool
All the engineers I've worked with and professional musician's like tool

I'll side with my gut and take professionals over whiney college bedroom musicians

>>26594979
well put

>>26594908
I didn't know that Tool purposefully replaces melody with endless meandering and songs with no concept of tension/release. I thought they just sucked.

>>26595012
because one person's opinion is more valid than another's, right?

>>26595104

>Tool purposefully replaces melody with endless meandering and songs with no concept of tension/release

Oh.

Well this isn't even your opinion anymore, you're just wrong, so I guess we're at an impasse.

>>26595152
Multiple professional's opinions are more valid than the average 4chan poster

>>26594979

Congratulations on ignoring the other posts pointing out how flawed you are.
>the validity of innovation if it's effective
Innovation is not an absolute but a progression, while one step may not be considered (by you) to be effective it may still be essential to the journey.
>good results
utterly subjective interpretation
>Tool's experimentation results in nothing powerful or valid.
>again, utterly subjective unless you can provide irrefutable evidence? Of course you may need an understanding of music theory for that, shame you shunned that as being necessary or desirable.
>Tool's work is analogous to folks making new masturbation toys
Since when was masturbation bad, what's wrong with folks making new masturbation toys innovative or otherwise? You've got issues my dear friend, did daddy catch you with your hand in your pants?

Tool has the worst fanbase ever. This thread proves it once again.

>>26595208
Not when it comes to what the average 4channer might think.

>>26595201
If Tool is anything, it is dull. Their songs don't go anywhere.

decent troll thread

>>26595252
if tool is any hint of what's in store for the future, i might just stop listening to music altogether.

>>26595277

It's really funny you're complaining about this considering Kid A is one of the most emotionally sterile albums I've ever heard. I can only assume you enjoy Radiohead for the sake of enjoying Radiohead and you don't actually listen to the music.

>>26595409
Kid A has some pretty outstanding moments. The second half of The National Anthem, for instance, as well as poppier songs like Morning Bell, Optimistic, and How to Disappear. It's not my personal favorite Radiohead album, but I can't deny that it does its thing well.

Meanwhile, Tools music is about as emotionally interesting as any angsty 90's band once you take away the esoteric lyrics and cool album art.

Just because you think that Radiohead sucks doesn't negate the fact that Tool is the worst, shittiest, crappiest, pissiest band in the world, either.

>>26595572
> The National Anthem
that's the worst song from that shitty album, it is supposed to appeal to plebeian teenagers like yourself, and you know how old you are

>>26595572

I don't think Radiohead sucks, but it's so obvious you are more about image than substance that it's pointless to continue this "debate" with you.

>>26593940
>mfw when listening to this song

no, seriously it's just fucking garbage.
Remission Mastodon = best Mastodon

>>26595620
I literally can't believe how retarded you are and you sound serious, too.

>>26595620
why? because i look past the hype surrounding the band and criticize its ugly, lifeless core?

Tell me, where is it obvious in any of my posts that I only care about image? I'm genuinely curious.

come at me bros

>>26595689

>Tool is the worst, shittiest, crappiest, pissiest band in the world.

And I'm the one that sounds dumb. Hah.

>>26595626
Yeah, probably. It's a very hit or miss album, though.

>>26595697

>hype.

What fucking hype does Tool have? There is no hype, if you don't go looking for it you could easily go your entire life without knowing Tool even existed. If you have any kind of rationale aside from Tool somehow being full of angst and emotionless at the same time (neither of which are necessarily bad things in the first place) or Tool being the "shittiest pissiest expletive expletive" band ever, please make it because this is getting old.

Personally I think you dislike Tool because they aren't hip enough for you, that's the only conclusion I can draw based on the non-arguments you've presented so far.

>>26595969
emotionlessness in music is one of the worst flaws it's possible to have.

Also, Tool is one of the most popular bands of the 90s, so your statement about not knowing they exist is ridiculous.

Tool fanbase vs. hipsters. Wahey!

>>26595969
>implying
I've played online video games before, I'm going to find out about Tool eventually. They were also super popular during the late 90's, too.

Tool sucks because it's just 90's alt-metal if it decided to twiddle around with polyrythms and such. I like my music to have a bit of melody. Tool delivers complex rhythms, but there is no real tune going on. The fact that songs are oftentimes 10+ minute long epics doesn't help. I find it dull.

I really dislike Tool, but I don't really think they're the pissiest band in the universe. (that would be coheed and cambria) I just love getting /mu/'s goat.

>>26596017

It's pretty much impossible for a band to be "emotionless" in the first place, you just don't like the emotional palette of Tool, which is fine, just don't start stupid fucking arguments about it. I also wasn't aware we were still living in the 90's. There wasn't even that much hype surrounding them back in the day aside from a few popular singles. Tool is pretty much a non entity these days.

>>26596186

So pic related huh.

>>26596335
I still hate Tool. I was just exaggerating when I said that they were the worst band in the universe. I thought it was obvious enough hyperbole, but you bought it at face value.

go and listen to ur experimental drone piss that is just trying to be edgy and everything else then mainstream. how can u not recognize or respect great musicianship? its like listening to Ludovico Einaudi or Diego stocco for instance and say they suck. if u do so u have stopped listening to music a long time ago. thank you.

>>26596483
Tool doesn't play good music, though. The drummer and bassist are undeniably skilled, but they play overlong chugfests.

This>Remain In Light

>>26596618
maybe >77

>>26596608
have a listen to vicarious or the pot, if u dont like the studio version try a piano or acoustic guitar cover, i think these are really great compositions

>>26596440

I bought it at face value because there was no reason not to, your demeanor has been childish the entire time. The mistake I made was expecting an anonymous poster on /mu/ to have a reasonable, informed discussion about music.

>>26594260
I was going to post this and I'm listening to it now. It's just wonderful, absolutely fantastic. There are no words.

>>26596778
these were my posts up to my "worst band in the world" allegation:
>Radiohead actually know how to write a decent melody
>I didn't know that Tool purposefully replaces melody with endless meandering and songs with no concept of tension/release. I thought they just sucked
>If Tool is anything, it is dull. Their songs don't go anywhere.

Inflammatory? Yes? Childish? No way, bozo.

>>26596741
I listened to the piano cover of vicarious. It was okay, but not anything that I would listen to again. The guy's vocals retain the same irritating breathiness of Marnard James Keenan's.

>>26596936
no concept of tension and release? nigger, please , have u even listened to lateralus or the latest album? Sorry but thats absolute bullshit

>>26596936

Being purposely inflammatory IS childish.

>>26597034
In your opinion.

>>26596998
Sorry i dont exactly know what you mean with breathiness since english isnt my native language.. but if u dont like his voice give the pot a try , its different from the rest i think... but anyways you cant claim it to be bad music since the songconstruction is undenieable good i think

>>26597034
not nearly as childish as saying that Tool is the worst, shittiest, crappiest, pissiest band in the universe. I can't see how you thought I was serious.

>>26597209
I can. Not necessarily a badly WRITTEN song, but I find the overall sound of the band very unappealing. Timbre and interpretation are factors of music.

When I said 'breathiness' I was referring to the sort of throaty, affected singing that Maynard uses. Like halfway between Jeff Buckley and Chad Kroeger.

Go talk about your shitty nu-metal bands somewhere else.
>>>/b/

>>26597336
okay fair enough i respect that , just out of curiosity, what is your favourite album? or what kind of music do u enjoy atm ?

Every Tool thread devolves into children pointing things they dislike about Tool that are relevant to almost every band