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>>44570114
cuz it's better

More technically indepth, more impressive based on their backgrounds, etc
But i am more of a fan of Romanticism than I am of classical

>>44570128
hue

>>44570153
I meant classical encompassing all, not just Classical

>technically indepth
Metal and IDM is moreso

>more impressive based on their backgrounds
So what?

>>44570114
Who said anything was superior to anything else?
If It's good music, we're going to listen to it. what more is there to say? who cares about genre

>>44570206
lel

CLT, Ame, Tallis, the list goes on...

>>44570153
romantic race reporting in

>>44570224
>caring about what trips have to say

Come on, I don't even listen to much classical and its obviously the most superior music out there... at least intellectually and technically. Beauty on the other hand is in the eye of the beholder

>>44570177
>technically indepth
>Metal and IDM is moreso

not quite... Metal and IDM are both based on Traditional harmony via classical music. Many of the musicians making this music have very little idea of extended harmony and performance techniques, and work more in the zone of "good riffs" and studio work, pro-tools in silence in and that kind of stuff.
Art music is cool because it takes one mans vision, (The composer) and filters it through performers and instruments. You get multiple performances/recordings of a single piece, each individual, and with their own merits or drawbacks.
The composer must fully understand music and the ranges/possibilities of each instrument, and then on top of that has to hone his/her ability to Orchestrate, which can take a lifetime to perfect.

Compare that to being in a band for a while, recording some albums and then retiring... being a composer is usually for life

Furtwangler is the GOAT conductor. Prove me wrong.

>>44570285
this

>>44570287
So in short, your saying classical is better because its a bunch of cover artists instead of the artist performing and they have to be able to read music? lol

>>44570257
>>44570153
Nothing gets me as emotional as this piece by Wagner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uka8ykFDw2U

>>44570285
>at least intellectually and technically.

[citation needed]

>music
>intellectual

>>44570324
Classicaltards getting BTFO

>>44570307
Furtwangler is the greatest conductor on record but who's to say Mahler wasn't better?

>>44570285
What makes the music of the Classical period more intellectually and technically superior to the music of the Baroque and Romantic period? Or are you one of those people who think all European traditional academic music is Classical?

>>44570380
wow look at this guy

He's so smart

He knows that there was a Classical period!

>>44570324
People have been spending their entire adult lives perfecting and writing this music, for more than 300 years. Each one studying those before him.
Bands and IDM have only been around for 50 years, and the debauchery/drugs/partying/lack of real commitment to their art detracts from the overal product. There are exceptions to the rule, some IDM artists and band members dedicate their lives and do very well, create some very high quality music. Some classical composers didn't give a fuck and just took lots of drugs.
Either way, there's this huge history of art music that has brought us to this day, and its still evolving, taking the elements of IDM and bands etc that composers value and incorporating them into scores.
Plus girls that play classical instruments are hotter than those who are producers or band muso's

>>44570400
indeed

>>44570361
Because he's a Jew.

>>44570400
Your sarcasm just makes you seem upset.

>>44570427
good observation

>>44570427
>taking Calcium seriously
Autist.

>>44570454
quality post

>>44570427
Oh yeah you fucking cunt I'm gonna punch you in the dick

>>44570454
He was using sarcasm in a serious manner. Is it wrong for me to take him seriously when he's being serious?

>>44570470
nice

>>44570114

It can tell a story without any words

an easy example is the 1812 Overture

>>44570497
lel what a great fucking story

>We burned all our fields and abandoned our capital city; now let us celebrate our valiance and heroism by firing cannons!

I'm fine with the fact some people think the music is superior to all other forms but I am laughing at them. Modern classical is great but I think at the end of the day part of the problem with older eras is I can't view classical as anything more than music for children.

In the same way other kids don't like really great artists of the past because their dads listened to them, I can't enjoy classical because I grew up in a culture where it is viewed as music for children (like, literal children). So for me it's mostly nostalgia music if I want to listen to it at all. It's the only music I can remember from my prepubescent years. Plus, I associate it with elementary school and nothing else I learned about it in elementary school has value in and of itself, it was rather built upon to achieve its true value and I built upon my learning of classical to enjoy the modern, superior forms of music that took the medium further.

>>44570523
haha thanks for the laughs bro

>>44570534
lol anytime bro ;)

>>44570526
cool post, i like it

>>44570543
i like you ;)

Why aren't you listening semi-exclusively to selections from this [patrician] chart?
This is a general music board after all.

The reason I here most people who listen exclusively/extensively to classical give is that composition wise its more complex than most other types of music.

Now, I do enjoy some classical, but I think the idea that 'the more complex it is, the better it is' is incredibly stupid.

No genre is inherently superior to another. Fight me.

ITT: OP gets proved right

Can someone actually do it?

>>44570570
is it ok if i save this chart?

>>44570562
;) ;) that's what I said to a dancer once ;)

>>44570526
You do realize that a lot of your current music has been evolved and derived from classical music, right? And you're laughing at it? And also associating it with elementary school is stupid. I'm not even a huge classical fan but I can recognize and appreciate when recognition is due.

>>44570589
It's all yours, my friend.

>>44570591
was he cute? ;)

>>44570403
time != better

So basically folk music and Eastern classical is automatically better because its older? In 500 years will IDM be on the same levels as classical today?

Classical was just the EDM of their time anyway; debrauchary, drugs, sex and dancing abound.

>>44570575
*I hear.

>>44570593
Classical came from Eastern classical and folk music and a caveman hitting a stone with a stick, your point

>>44570614
why are you being so confrontational?

>>44570612
no she was an ugly cunt ;)

>>44570636
It's called discussion.

>>44570650
#rectus

>>44570638
that's a shame friend. hope you have better luck with your future endeavours

>>44570224

>>44570258
this. they give the impression that the majority of classical listeners smell their own farts and laugh at anything associated with popular or traditional music.

Because it's generally better in every way.
No one has mastered harmony and melody the way Mozart and Beethoven have. It's also incredibly varied.

>>44570593
>You do realize that a lot of your current music has been evolved and derived from classical music, right?
Obviously, you dumb cunt. I said as much. Learn to read. Why listen to the earliest music? Please cry more about being born in the wrong generation.
>And you're laughing at it?
I'm not laughing at the music, I'm laughing at people who view it as the epitome of music (the tripfags and fedoras in the world, that is).
>And also associating it with elementary school is stupid.
Why? Did you not go to elementary school? Your toddler years and elementary school is all about classical. Middle school is all about jazz. High school is all about metal/hip-hop. And then when you graduate you're free to go listen to music for adults. These are the facts of life (at least in developed countries with decent education systems), not my opinion.

>>44570671

>its better because its better

>>44570636
but why are you so uncivil about it?

>>44570631
>and folk music and a caveman hitting a stone with a stick, your point


uh...what?

The chord progressions and melodies from almost all popular music today has evolved from classical music. Take a classical song and compose it for guitar/bass/drums/etc and try to prove me wrong

>>44570674
>why listen to the earliest music
Why wouldn't you?
It's like saying you like jazz but not listening to Armstrong, like saying you like rock but not knowing a single blues artist.

>>44570698
I'm being perfectly rational and pleasant about it, why aren't you discussing the points and refuting the argument to form a discussion? Nothing to actually say?

>>44570614
I think time does actually equal better.


In 500 years there will be no electricity and it will not be possible to play IDM or electrified band instruments
Then we'll be back to writing music for real people, using real instruments.*
*This version of the future may not actually happen

>>44570114
Because arpeggios aren't easy, or the music is more layered, or something.

>>44570671
>No one has mastered harmony and melody the way Mozart and Beethoven have.
[citation needed]

>>44570710
>The chord progressions and melodies from almost all popular music today has evolved from classical music.
kek

>>44570730
So according to you then folk music is superior to classical.

>>44570730
>implying life could exist without electricity

>>44570724
I'm not the one you're arguing with, I just thought you came across as a bit of a snarky cunt.

>>44570674
You didn't say shit. You rambled on about nostalgia and environmental aspects to listening as if that has anything to do with the quality of music. I do agree with you on the laughing at the people who view it as the epitome of music but you should still appreciate that which has built what you enjoy now

since /classical/ overlaps with /avant-teen/ I thought I'd ask here
Does anyone have rape/murder field recordings to share?

>>44570721
No it's not at all (and again, it's like you didn't even read the post). Because we are all familiar with classical music. I mean why listen to the earliest music exclusively? Why purposely limit yourselves to the music that everyone knows instead of taking advantage of the opportunity you were given by being born in the present era and listen to all the music that you could be among the first to be inspired by. Why live in the past when you can look forward? Next you're going to tell me you believe in God.

>>44570741
Prove me wrong, please

>>44570768
youforrik

I think it's beyond explanation by human vocabulary as we know it.

>>44570730
its disturbing to many musicians that the soundscape/atmosphere/etc. has overcome display of technique. but it just confirms the notion that the art defines the process. music would not have progressed the way it has if composers just looked at Bach's organ works and figured out ways to further challenge players' dexterity.

>>44570763
Where have I ever said anything about not appreciating it? Your implying things that were never said. Classical music on this board has nothing to do with the music itself, it has to do with the image. Therefore that is all I have talked about. I have never mentioned the inherent merits of the music as not existing, simply that I'd rather listen to the music that built upon it then limit myself while still occasionally listening to the classic classical when I'm feeling nostalgic or in the mood for something light.

>>44570762
I'm not swearing and making opposing points, trying to engage in discussion on a board where quoting Kanye is currently the height of conversation. Anyway, this is not the point of the thread, please refrain from derailing away from the OPs question.

>>44570756
If you spend time on something, it has the ability to become great.

Folk music is just a crippled offshoot of classical, by people who don't really understand music, but just play things that sound good to them.

>>44570758
see human history pre-20th Century
inb4 need the electricity for our atoms to stay together
I'm talking about stable power grids for an entire city here

>>44570774
No, the onus of proof is on you.

Are you saying before classical there was no music?

I think the fawning over what we shall call 'concert music' is perhaps a misguided attempt to seduce the modern man into investigating the genre out of mere curiosity. For those of us already enamored at the beauty and surprising relevance of concert music what method have to we entice others of its worth in the modern age other than to sing its praises? I love as much modern music as anyone but you are depriving yourself of immense pleasure if you remain ignorant of this monumental golden age of expression.

>>44570820
Sorry, I'll let you get back to it. Have fun :)

>tfw classical threads never turn into sharethreads

>listening to Messe de Nostre Dame at 1 A.M.

you guys should experience this. no wonder people were so religious in the Middle Ages.

>>44570783
read: Its not true

>>44570815
>Classical music on this board has nothing to do with the music itself, it has to do with the image

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I thought this board was made to discuss music, not images of music as proclaimed by this shithole of a board.

>>44570828
>Folk music is just a crippled offshoot of classical

Folk predates classical, its superior by your argument. A caveman hitting a stone with a stick predates both and is consequently now superior to everything, according to your point.

>>44570845
Actually it's because if they weren't, they were excommunicated and basically sentenced to death. Good try, though. Shouldn't you be in bed so you can wake up fresh for church service in the morning?

>>44570833
No, I'm saying classical built on that which came before it and music since has built upon it as well. Thanks for proving my point.

>>44570834
No one said it can't be, and isn't enjoyed by many, this isn't the point of the thread.

>>44570862
You're right, someone should explain that to the classicists (and almost every other type of poster on this board).

>>44570877
You are completely ignoring any music that came from the east, the influence of African American music and the fact that classical was just the music that came inbetween traditional folk and modern music, you have only refuted your own point.

There's one word I like to use to describe Classical music:
Timeless.

Its a base form of music used in every film or Drama show, when they really want you to feel something, they bring in the strings, the clarinets, the dissonant brass etc. Orchestras get the job done. no more beautiful or evil sounding thing than an orchestra, especially when composers start adding in synths and guitars.

>>44570804
This isn't all about technique though, but I would agree that art does define the process. This is about creating aesthetically pleasing music for our current generation, and for generations in the future, if they so desire to look back at us.

>>44570862
Tell that to CLT and Ame

>>44570869
no need to be hostile. i was just using hyperbole. and no i am not religious.

>people ITT who think folk predates classical
When will CLT go through a folk phase and make the rest of the board slightly more knowledgeable about it?

>>44570902
It completely depends on the medium and the atmosphere one is attempting to create, you are singling out cinema that uses orchestral music and ignoring the plentiful times that modern electronic or guitar music has done the same and reached the same purpose, situation dependant.

>>44570931
I hope you're pretending to be retarded. Folk music predates recorded history. Much older than classical.

>>44570931
>he thinks Bob Dylan started folk music

Bless

>>44570828
>inb4 need the electricity for our atoms to stay together
>I'm talking about stable power grids for an entire city here
Oh, I see. You're a faggot.

>In 500 years there will be no lips and it will not be possible to whistle or create every tone with your mouth
>Then we'll be back to idly producing music for real people, using real instruments.*
>*This version of the future may not actually happen

Humming master race unyte.

>>44570863
Classical music borrowed from folk all the time, Bach set common song melodies to lutheran texts so that the congregation could belt them out.
Folk wasn't nurtured the same was art music was though, all those nobles and churches paying composers to spend their lives writing music for them, and then getting it rehearsed and performed, thereby learning more about music and performance in the process.
In the meantime a folk singer is playing the same old melody just to get a loaf of bread at the local tavern... he doesn't really 'grow' to the same extent as a well fed, well supplied, and well respected Kapellmeister

>>44570943
The folk music you're talking about is also a lot different than modern folk music

>>44570880
Yes it is quite to the point. My point was, that by someone arguing vigorously that classical music is superior to other forms, it may cause someone previously ignorant (and I use that term non-pejoratively here) to see what all the fuss is about so to speak. And he may then discover something that could change his life. Does that not answer OP's question of why people claim classical is superior? I am not saying a misguided arrogance is not the main cause, but this may also be a factor in the discussion.

>>44570965
And the classical music you're talking about is also a lot different than modern classical music. What's that have to do with anything?

>>44570958
So you are saying Aphex Twin is superior to Bob Dylan because his music is more complex opposed to just Bob and his geetah?

>>44570965
[implications intensifies]

>>44570971
No, because classical is the first music most people learn about as children. We know what the fuss is about. Some autistic douchebag on 4chan going on about how great it is will turn people off from it as just being more meme music.

>>44570938
Its true, guitars and synths can do the job of the orchestra, but its the techniques and chord progressions they are using that really does the dirty work of making you feel.
All those musical techniques - suspensions, major to minor, diminished 7ths, darkly orchestrated chords, all come from the art music theory and canon.

>>44570958

>>44570971
>Does that not answer OP's question of why people claim classical is superior?

Not at all, if anything CLT and Ame are more likely to put people off exploring with their pretentious and insecure behaviour. None of this explains why it's better though, it just opens peoples minds to more music.

>>44570899
Music that came from the east hasn't had an impact on the popular music song structure of the west. It is popular in the east and only the east, and popular western music is popular everywhere. African-American? Sure, they jammed hard with blues and jazz but they just altered classical structures and built off of them

>>44570999
>everyone you ever loved will die in your lifetime

>>44570981
He would, if he didn't dismiss electronic music as illegitimate.

>>44570997
>its the techniques and chord progressions they are using that really does the dirty work of making you feel.
As I said, it depends on the atmosphere the director is attempting to create.

>suspensions, major to minor, diminished 7ths, darkly orchestrated chords, all come from the art music theory and canon.
And there are plenty of styles that came from elsewhere or prior

>>44570987
Well that seems to me to be the wrong way of going about it. As classical music is no longer the popular music of the day I don't see any reason why children need be exposed to it. Because on its surface it sounds antiquated, it takes a certain level of reasoning not to dismiss it just for that alone. Something most are not capable, frankly until their late teens.
So where then will the impetus come from to give classical serious consideration at this age? Not from society as far I can see, but from a /mu/sic board? Potentially.

>>44570403
Name one succesfull IDM artist that live a life of debauchery/drugs/partying.
IDM artists are usually recluses, spending all their time working on their music, and IF they retire, they usually start working on visual art projects.

>>44571017
>It is popular in the east and only the east
The majority of instruments used in the western world came from the East, we wouldn't even have the music to compare if it wasn't for them

>they just altered classical structures and built off of them
[citation needed]

I doubt the average slave who sang work hollers in the fields had ever heard a Mozart tune in his life

Because it has more positive effects on the brain. Compare listening to some Pierce the Veil which burrows this negative feeling/awful degenerate lyrics into your head. It leaves you in a lesser mood than if you listened to lets say a symphony. Of course, I'm not close minded. I can see value in many music types. But every music type has its flaws. Classical doesn't necessarily have more good points, it just has close to no bad points. And yes, there are fucking bad points to music you liberal cunts. Degenerate filth lyrics are shit, no matter how you interpret it. As someone who listens to Avenged Sevenfold, it bothers me to hear their lyrics. They often just don't even make any sense. So I like to listen to instrumentals which sound great. So, you have to find a music genre's faults and advantages. Balance them. I'm not too into classical but this is my take on it.

>>44570999
you quit posting Ryan Davis I can't handle these feels right now

>>44571029
of course it depends on the atmosphere the director is attempting to create. its film music.

I think my main point here is that Classical music makes you feel. other music not, so much.

This is all highly individual, of course... some people feel nothing when they listen to classical music. "sounds like film music" they say.

Film needs the highest quality music to make up for the lack of physical connection when you stare at a screen. The music makes you feel whatever the director wants. Classical techniques and instruments are the main culprit for these feels.

>>44571054
I'm not talking about instrumentation, I'm talking about chord progression, melodies, etc.

I also doubt that the average slave who sang work hollered music into your ipod

>>44571007
Frankly, it takes two to tango. It is not merely their opinions apparent claims of objectively that would annoy, it's peoples perception that opinion can have any objectivity at all. Why not just read "favourite" instead of "best" for all discussions of music? Any argument is only to facilitate discovery by perhaps putting forward a reasonable case for checking something out. To be so annoyed as to create a thread rebuking the 'classicaltards' I think is firstly to admit that their opinions somehow have weight and have not already been categorized as purely subjective.

>>44571050
>Name one succesfull IDM artist
unfortunately I didn't even know what IDM was until this thread...
IDM is just sub genre of electronic music right? so they're producers?
What about other genres of electronic music?

>>44571075
I have a mixtape from some... well it doesn't matter, the point is there is a recording of John Entwisle explaining to the interviewer how the 3 chord rock songs give him a spiritual high moreso than classical can, as you say, it's all personal.

None of this address OPs question though.

>>44571073
You don't want to remember great people?

>>44571099
Instrumentation is vital to the progression of music today and without the instruments we'd never have the classical artists to write a couple of new chord progressions for you to try and use that argument for the importance of classical.

>>44571075
>Film needs the highest quality music to make up for the lack of physical connection when you stare at a screen.

This guy's head is completely up his ass.

>>44571104
This thread exists to ask the question of why classical music is superior to any other form of musical style, CLT and Ame are irrelevant.

>Any argument is only to facilitate discovery by perhaps putting forward a reasonable case for checking something out.
Go on then, put forward the reasonable case for checking out classical as OP has requested as this is why the thread exists.

>>44571044
Every genre of music has its value, if you want people to have an interest in classical outside of the image of the music, you have to start appreciating all forms of music. The problem with classical fans on this board is they are no better than the ones who go on about metal, jazz, hip-hop or electronic. They clearly spend most of their time on that type of music and have not even the slightest clue about most others.

When classical fans try to get their music to be part of the /mu/ mainstream they make those insulting charts where they spend weeks deliberating on the classical section but then just throw together everything else so haphazardly it's obvious they know nothing about those other kinds of music. Classical fans are also very close-minded and hate any classical of the 20th century which is ridiculous and embarrassing (as a music fan).

This board should be about raising interest in music of all forms (even forms you don't personally like), not just [your favorite genre]. Then it all becomes about image and not the music anymore. Nobody wants to wear a fedora and talk down to everyone, so the fact those are the only type of people who push classical on this board just discourages everyone from listening to it.

>>44571138
No, notes and melodies don't exist because of instrumentation. You can create every song via piano/harpsichord. This includes "new" chord progressions. Instrumentation just provides a new sound. That doesn't change the base of which the music is being built off of

>>44571193
If the instrument didn't exist, the classical dude wouldn't have been able to invent the chord progression. Without the East supplying the West with the instruments, we'd all be listening to ragas. The East mattered moreso than the West.

what the fuck are you talking about.

>>Why are classicaltards unable to explain why classical is supposedly superior to other music?

you need a longer attention span and a greater attention to detail to appreciate classical music. if your attention span and ability to notice and process complex layers of sound is limited to what's presented in the average pop song, then you're never going to get it.

>>44571217
That means absolutely nothing regarding my original argument.

>>44571217
>>44571193
>>44571160
hahaha epic derail

>>44571190
Why are you (or rather, the OP) singling out classical fans for this criticism? Surely you're just describing normal anonymous human behavior on 4chan. I agree /mu/ seems to have gone downhill across the board in this regard, but I'd much rather some classical rather than none at all. If you just ignore the few pretentious tripfaggots, you will actually see quite a lot of people describing favourite composers and works, often with samples. It's perhaps not the most comprehensive cross section, but as a starting point for someone new to the genre, it has some merit. All it requires to mentally blocking out the retards, which seems to me to be a requirement not only for every thread on /mu/ but on the internet in general.

>>44571217
>the French invented the toilets, which were designed for shitting
>the toilets then spread to Afghanistan, where people used them to shit
>if not for the French, nobody in Afghanistan would know how to shit

this is your argument

>>44571267
Now try again and actually say something.

The only posters I can take seriously in this entire board are classical listeners, everyone else is most likely a 17 year old highschooler with Death Grips as his favorite band.

>>44571332
The reason classical fans are the top of most people's shit list is because while all these types of "genre-specific" subcultures are regressive, the classicists are the only group that can't just keep to themselves and are purposely hostile to the rest of the board. Jazz or metal fans may think their form of music is the best but they stick to their threads and just talk about their stuff. Classical fans aren't content doing that and in fact spend less time talking about classical music than they do attacking other people on the board for not listening to it.

>>44571311
>>44571348
The original argument was 'classical invented all modern music' yet if not for the prior Eastern music and instrumentation, there would be no instruments for Western classical to expand on other than the already existing folk music.

Ergo; all Western classical did was expand on the existing Eastern music, folk music and traditional African music and they are more important negating the original argument that Western classical music originated anything

>>44571408
Why not jazz fans, folk fans, Eastern music fans? Are the only people on /mu/ either Western classical fans or rap fans?

Because Poulenc is god.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMjVsju3HZc

>>44571253
Classical fans are failing at trying to provide reasonable argument for why it is superior music.

>>44571448
rap fans are the lowest denominator on the board, that much is fact

>>44570114
>137 posts and 6 image replies omitted. Click here to view.
>not a single Ame copypasta text shitting on other genres saying nothing constructive

I'm impressed

>>44571075
>Film needs the highest quality music to make up for the lack of physical connection when you stare at a screen

>>44571424
I'm done with you. Listen to your favorite modern song and imagine it is being played with classical instruments. Sounds like a classical song, eh? Doesn't sound like eastern music at all. The end

>>44570114
Because it's complex, difficult, and very influential, nothing else.

>>44571554
Kanye West or Arcade Fire sound fuck all like Mozart too.

You state modern music needed Western classical and that's why it's superior, yet without Eastern classical, folk music and African music there wouldn't be the modern music either, all were important and considering 3 out of 4 came before Western classical, they are more important.

>>44571579
>complex
>>44570981

>>44571579
>difficult
Not always, plenty of music today is more difficult to play

>>44571579
>influential
So cavemen and traditional folk > Western classical

>>44571467
My argument was "Because it makes you feel"

There's something beautiful and primal about the orchestral instruments, cellos, woodwind, celesta's, etc.

Lest get a list of why Classical music is the best;

>Played on beautiful instruments
>Rich history of composers dedicating their lives to improvement of the art.
>Acoustic, natural sound - requires no amplification
>Academic, hard-working nature of performers and conductors - They really give 110%
>Varied - Encompasses and combines virtually all forms of music
>Atmosphere of betterment - Plenty of enthusiasm to assemble youth orchestras, and hold masterclasses with young performers or composers
Do you see all the bands getting together once a year to compare songs and explain why/what they were doing? I think not. Annual composer forums and discussions help better the craft and discuss important issues and learn new techniques and styles

Because LotGH is the greatest anime to grace this Earth

>>44571588
I'm not saying others weren't important, I'm saying that popular music today has been derived from musical structures created by classical composers. You haven't proved my point wrong

>>44571613
>traditional folks
you mean nigger music??

>>44570257
verdi for GOAT

>>44571658
word~

>>44571658
don't use the word 'greatest' and 'anime' in the same sentence
that's like saying 'this is the tastiest dog shit ever'

when people say folk music are we talking about something like vid related? or something else?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzDndU8ZG0Q

>>44571623
>MUH FEELS
So how is that better to Elliot Smith or The Antlers?

>Played on beautiful instruments
So are hundreds of musical styles around the world and there are no instruments exclusive to classical
>Rich history of composers dedicating their lives to improvement of the art.
There are plenty of modern musicians like that and the majority of composers had lives
>Acoustic, natural sound - requires no amplification
How is that superior and folk music, eastern music and slaves in fields singing while they work fall under that too
>Academic, hard-working nature of performers and conductors - They really give 110%
So do plenty of other artists in all genres
>Varied - Encompasses and combines virtually all forms of music
So do plenty of other artists in all genres, especially if you count classical as all 'art music', so you must all non art and folk as popular music
>Atmosphere of betterment - Plenty of enthusiasm to assemble youth orchestras, and hold masterclasses with young performers or composers
Same as other genres
>Do you see all the bands getting together once a year to compare songs and explain why/what they were doing?
Some do, some don't, not all composers or performers do. Kinda doubt Andre Rieu and Grigory Sokolov have ever hung out over coffee in Starbucks

>>44570380
classical is a genre as well as an era

>>44571659
And those were adapted from earlier folk, Eastern and African music, you haven't done anything except confirm my point of music progression which Western classical was just one of in a long line of progression.

>>44571674
>resorting to racism when you have no argument

This has been an interesting and mature discussion thread so far, don't drag it down to /b/ levels

>>44570380
lol dummy, classical encompasses the baroque and romativc period, not just the classical period. Take a music class for god's sake

>>44571705
You haven't even watched it have you?

It is literally a Space Opera in every sense of the word, featuring an astounding classical music soundtrack to boot.

>>44571717
Most dedicated composers and performers attend masterclasses and annual workshops.
Most bands do not.
You tried to refute my points, but simply said "all music does this"
Other music doesn't do it as diligently as art music does though.

>>44571771
no i don't watch japanese cartoons because i'm not a child

>>44571774
[citations needed]

When was the last time Lang Lang and Glenn Gould hung out?

>>44570380
Lol dummy, The classical genre encompasses the Baroque and Romantic period, not just the classical period. Take a music class, for god's sake.

>>44571774
Interesting discussion all.

Have some recommendations for anyone interested in checking out classical/orchestral music

http://pastebin.com/460CHWrn

>>44571798
considering lang lang was born the year gould died...

>>44571811
No shit Sherlock

just gonna hijack this thread
best place to get piano sheet music??

>>44571774
>Most dedicated composers and performers attend masterclasses and annual workshops.

What are you basing this on?

>>44571821
? what are you even trying to prove? you just ripped to pieces the tattered remains of your flawed argument

>>44571736
So? That doesn't mean shit. My statement STILL holds true. Western classical is one in a long line of progression but is the most influential on modern music.

>>44571790
Good thing its not a childrens cartoon then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQt9x-GZQ8g

What's a good starting place for getting into Classical/Baroque/Romantic etc? I've tried in the past but I have a hard time following through. I downloaded some Leonard Bernstein thing that was recommended on one of the charts but it was like 8 hours long and I felt overwhelmed and ended up deleting it. And then sometimes I look for something but there are like 5 different versions. Can anyone recommend me something that's nice and concise? Attempting to get into classical has really made me appreciate the album format.

The only superiority of classical to modern music is the musicians treat the music and approach the final result as art opposed to providing entertainment.

>>44570114
>superior

No-one is trying to say that. But Western Art music does have the longest unbroken literate tradition, and is clearly significant enough to warrant scholarly attention at institutes of higher learning all over the world.

>>44571754
define traditional folks is influential to a limited genres of music while classical allows a broader space for creativity and progression.

>>44571841
I was obviously joking using the extremes as a tongue in cheek joke, pick any 3 composers and show me a photo of them in Starbucks together and I'll let you have this one.

>>44571861
hehehe there there deluded weeaboo

>>44571882

>>44571879
the define word shouldn't be there.

>>44571851
>is the most influential on modern music.

nope.avi

>>44571880
why would they go to starbucks? can you link a picture of any three famous people in starbucks together?

>>44571867
>No-one is trying to say that.
You must be new here.

>>44571798
Well I attend annual composers workshops and I'm only a pleb composer...
about 30 of us all get together along with some performers and conductors etc.
During the day there are presentations on various compositional techniques, lives of working composers, new instrumental techniques, other activities.
While these seminars are going on, there is a background rehearsal process underway, Each compose has a piece submitted, and during the day they rehearse their piece for 1 hour.
at 5pm we all break for dinner, then return at 7pm for the nightly concert.
Pieces that were rehearsed during the day are performed and recorded, and after each piece, the composer gets up and sits in the "hot seat" and must answer questions about the piece from the rest of the composers.
There is an open banter, as questions are answered and interjected, kind of like a real life 4chan thread... Then after the questions have died down, the next piece is performed.
Each composer is issued with a performance of their work, and hopefully gains something from the experience/feedback

This lasts for 5 days.
A whole week of seminars and concerts, all aimed at learning more about music, and how to write it better.

Then of course, the real learning is done after the concert, where everyone goes to the local pub to get down to business, discussing their paces of the day, or just general composer/performer banter.
These events are also a great way to network and meet potential collaborators/performers

>>44571885
don't point that gook shit at me

>>44570403
why did you chose a genre as niche as IDM?
I think you have no idea about music (outside of "classical"), so I don't think your opinion is credible.

>>44571879
Traditional folk is hugely influential and easily equal to modern music as Western classical.

>>44570570
because we're not fucking faggots.

>>44571863
For Baroque, I think

Monteverdi's 1610 Vespers
A few keyboard suites by Froberger
Frescobaldi's Fiori Musicali
Vivaldi's Op 3 "L'estro Armonico"
Corelli's Op 3 trio sonatas
Scarlatti's 30 Essercizi
Handel's Saul or Theodora
Bach's cantatas (140, 80, 82 comes to mind)
Francois Couperin's keyboard pieces
Purcell's anthems

Etc should provide a wide enough cross-section of the whole era, and are quite representative of what each medium/genre is capable of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT09SI0LAjg

who is the best tenor and why is it jussi bjorling, /mu/?

>>44571839
my experience as a composer/music student

>>44571863
check out this pastebin, plenty of youtube links and cool, short pieces

http://pastebin.com/460CHWrn

>>44571938
>>44571863
baroque isn't exactly the easiest to get into, i'd start romantic and work my way backwards

>>44571893
yep.fact

>>44570833
dude....
music started in 1910 you ignorant, uneducated fag

>>44571917
I didn't bring up IDM in the first place... like i said I only learned what that acronym stood for in this thread...
I started off producing electronic music, and wen through a huge binge of listening to that kind of stuff (as well as many other genres... metal, jazz, funk, folk, singer-songwriter...)

What's the best mozart recordings?

>>44572006
http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Complete-Piano-Sonatas-Fantasias/dp/B0000028NT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knPXlG1XrTY

>>44571929
There are so many kinds of traditional folks eg african and scottish and they're mostly mixed with classical.

>>44570931
Dumbest post I've ever seen on /mu/. Not exaggerating.

>>44572044
>mostly mixed with classical.

Yet they all come prior, how clever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSDuhWgNiYM

>>44571915
That's a really nice community thing going on there with your little pop quizes and humorous banter while you all do cover songs of dead old people, sounds great fun for the poor who can't afford instruments at home.

>>44572080
I mean when used as an influence in modern music.

>>44572002
Oh, sorry then. Misread your post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WZ1BJpALao

>>44572098
>you all do cover songs
There are no covers.
Everyone brings their own original piece
~30 new pieces by up and coming composers

Its an environment for composers to analyse how they construct music, and to test their ability to write for their chosen instruments.

There's usually 10 ish performers present, including string quartet, an accomplished pianist, a flautist, bassoon/contrabassoon player, soprano, and others, depending on who's available/willing each year.

i always thoroughly enjoy spending a week doing nothing but look at music and how we make/perceive it. As well as listening to a wide range of material live, from the tutors finely constructed pieces, to strange new domains that some guys like to push for, or the 15 year high school kid who writes beautiful solo piano music ala debussy, ravel, and chopin.

So no one could answer then...?

>>44573316
It's difficult to answer a question which is based on a nonsensical premise.

>>44573384
It is a very straightforward question which makes perfect sense, are you a bit dumb?

>>44573403
It is nonsensical because it assumes that people who listen to classical music believe it is objectively superior to all other music. It is constructed from faulty logic, ergo it makes no sense.

>>44573416
>people who listen to classical music believe it is objectively superior to all other music.

Well yes, they do, hence the question, were you born yesterday? First day on the internet?

>>44573437
>projecting this hard

>>44573437
I have been listening to classical music for over 10 years, I do not think it is objectively superior to any other kind of music. The law of averages suggests I cannot be the only one who feels this way.

>>44573453
>trying to pretend classical listeners don't think its superior in a 200+ post thread about and filled with people trying to explain why classical music is superior

just, wow

>>44573459
No, the law of averages in this thread alone puts you in the minority

>>44573474
Literally 4 posts in >>44570206

literacy lifestyle etc

>>44573483
I'm glad you agree. Now, perhaps you can explain how my being not the only one who listens to classical music and does not think it is objectively superior to all other music proves your point.

>MFW I realized classicunts are essentially dadrockers/lewrong generation but to a much higher degree.

>>44570153
So is Trout Mask Replica

because no amplification, because technical skills.

>>44570114
Because amateurism is neither accepted nor rewarded in classical music, unlike most other types of music

>>44573746

TMR is not "technically impressive" from a virtuoso standpoint at all.

>>44574262
Which hasn't been true since the beginning of the 18th century when the main audience and interest for classical music shifted away from courts and the church towards the then growing bourgeoisie, where it remains today.

>>44574325
Are you serious? Maybe they are not at the level of the best composers, but they were quite impressive.
Also, the background of the album is even more impressive.

>>44574340

I'm dead serious. I'm talking about their instrument capabilities. Their song writing was actually quite good... I would even go as far as saying they were good players too... just not very strong.

Because it's not. Renaissance and Baroque are much better.

>>44574643
huehueheuhuehueuhehue

The thread was obviously about classical as an umbrella for all

>>44570114
Classical music is objectively superior on every aspect of music you can point out, but it is impossible to objectively prove that one must listen to it: no one's forcing you to listen to what's better. If you prefer lower forms of art, then no one's gonna stop you from enjoying it.

>>44570206
I did. History did. Reason did. Anyone who's studied music or aesthetics did.

>who cares about genre
You're beyond stupid. "Classical" isn't a genre - this conception of genre is a recent concept; "genre" would have been understood as "what ensemble is playing and what's the form", in a context of classical music.

The only problem here, is that for people who haven't studied music, nor have any understanding of the history of music (poly-style loving is part of the second category) or of general aesthetics theories which were believed and applied by composers (and the third), it is almost impossible to prove the superiority of classical music: try to prove how Leibniz was better at calculus than Descartes to a teenager ignoring everything about Leibniz, Descartes, and calculus.

>>44575589

>>44571105
Other genres don't require anywhere near the level of time, expertise, or creativity as IDM. Here's an example of IDM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvLAKrVbCBM although I and many others dislike that term.
This isn't the kind of thing one throws together in a night, to create an IDM album one basically has to become completely socially removed for a year.
Other electronic genres are mostly completely incomparable to classical. The only ones that have even near the same compositional depth are breakcore, glitch, etc.

>>44575815
>hahaha ur a troll so i don't have to adress any of your points

>>44575878
Glitch and breakcore are in my top ten favorite musical styles, but you don't need to know very much about composition. Maybe if you said prog rock or avant prog I would believe you.

>>44575934
Sorry, I, I misunderstood what you said.
Glitch isn't on the same level as the other two though.

>>44570361
>fartwrangler

>>44575878

>This isn't the kind of thing one throws together in a night, to create an IDM album one basically has to become completely socially removed for a year.
>Other electronic genres are mostly completely incomparable to classical. The only ones that have even near the same compositional depth are breakcore, glitch, etc.

pls be a troll

>>44575589
Again, a classicaltard talks a lot, says absolutely nothing and attempts to propose a premise with no actual context or substance.

>>44576340
Again, a tard doesn't talk, says absolutely nothing, and doesn't attempt anything. Your lack of understanding is not my responsability.

>>44575589
Could you be anymore insecure?

>>44576363
How is there any insecurity in there? Your buzzwords are so out of context, it starts getting painful to read, anon.

>>44576362
>I'm right
>why
>there is no reason
>so you aren't right, are you
>yes
>why
>there is no reason
>why is it superior
>it just is
>why
>there is no reason

Pathetic

>>44576381
Your stupidity is even more hilarious if you can't comprehend my point.

Go fap to your underage popstar pictures some more.

>>44570403

>Some classical composers didn't give a fuck and just took lots of drugs.

[citation needed]

>>44576497
Alcohol is a drug too

>>44576403
As I said, your lack of understanding is not my responsability. I basically said every form of artistic authority (and to say this, I rely on Alain's understanding of chef d'oeuvre) agreed with me, and I asked to be proved wrong; to have an argument opposed to this common and natural understanding of what we call "the canon" - as no argument has been proposed, I consider that your posts do not attempt anything, and that you consider yourself wrong, yet let your resentment guide your behavior. I am okay with this. Just remember that if you're willing to argue, I will gladly follow you. However, when you argue on philosophy - or, let's have a better example: physics. If you're arguing on physics, you're expected to have an understanding of physics going beyond the "I feel it, man!" level. I really have this feeling that I'm going this "I'm feeling the music, nothing else!" argument, which is boring and stupid. If you wish to bring up this argument, consider this discussion over.

>>44576542
Why did I say responsability twice? hehe.

Responsibility*

>>44576542
>I asked to be proved wrong
Onus of proof is on those claiming the superiority.

All you're doing is talking around the point without actually backing up the superiority you, CLT and Ame claim daily with nothing to back it up.

So first Tallis, its down to you to actually explain why classical is superior.

>>44576542
You talk alot without actually saying anything m8

>>44571863

This could be a pretty good place to start:
>Baroque

Bach's Brandenburg Concerti, 6 Partitas, and Goldberg Variations

Handel's Music for the Royal Fireworks, Water Music Suites, and Messiah

Purcell's Dido & Aeneas

Telemann's Viola Concerto in G major
>Classical

C.P.E. Bach's Symphonies for Strings

Haydn's Emperor Quartets / Late Symphonies

Mozart's Piano Concerti, Mass in C minor, Le nozze di Figaro, and Ave Verum Corpus

Beethoven's 9th Symphony, Piano Sonatas 21, 23, and 32, and Missa Solemnis

Schubert's Winterreise, Late String Quartets, Late Piano Sonatas, 8th Symphony

Weber's Clarinet Concerti, Der Freischutz, Piano Sonatas, and Clarinet Quintet.


>Romantic


Mendelssohn's Lieder Ohne Worte, 4th Symphony, Violin Concerto in E minor, A Midsummer Night's Dream Overture, and The Hebrides overture

Brahms' 4 Symphonies, Violin Concerto, Haydn and Handel Variations, and Ein deutsches Requiem

Wagner's Lohengrin, Parsifal, and Tristan und Isolde

Sibelius' 2nd Symphony, 7th Symphony, and Violin Concerto

>>44576644
>So first Tallis, its down to you to actually explain why classical is superior.
>I basically said every form of artistic authority (and to say this, I rely on Alain's understanding of chef d'oeuvre) agreed with me

Basically, an appeal to authority. I consider, along with Alain, that only artistic authority (that is, the majority of scholars) decide which music is the best.

I then said that if someone was going to argue, I was expecting some level of education in this person - I didn't want to hear the usual tripe I hear with people crying about music being nothing but feelings or "organized sounds" - these buzzwords make me want to quit /mu/ for good.

Then, I'm going to provide you with something else.

1- Classical music is better on a formal level.

2- Classical music is more complex on a harmonic and melodic level.

3- Classical music is richer and more varied.

4- Classical composers are more educated and thus have more interesting extra-musical ideas to insert in their works, such as philosophical concepts, which is not the case with your average popular music "artist" which knows nothing but a few chords on his guitar and how to sign a record deal.

These points will be defended if someone disagrees.

>>44576835
Your baroque is weak as fuck m8

>>44576868

Yes, my lack of Vivaldi and others is unfortunate (I could have recommended more as well); but I rushed to get to the later eras. Feel free to contribute.

>>44576973
Well you need italians, that's all.

>>44576839
Point 1 is subjective.
Point 2 is correct.
Point 3, I disagree. Rock music is more varied.
Point 4, it's true that they are more educated, but I think they pale in comparison to rock musicians when it comes to "extra-musical" elements. Rock is more creative/original.

This is coming from someone who listens to both, classical and rock music.

>>44577440
>Point 1 is subjective.
how

>>44577440
Point 1 is the most objective aspect of music.

Point 3; the "rock is varied" myth arises from the idea that singing similar themes with a different interpret and a different powerchord riff implies being varied. This is not the case. Keep in mind that classical music goes from Lassus to Schönberg.

>I think they pale in comparison to rock musicians when it comes to "extra-musical" elements. Rock is more creative/original.
I will happily redirect you to Wagner and his essays, if you seriously believe this.

>>44577529
>classical music is better on a formal level
>better

>>44570403
I don't think you know what IDM is.

>>44577440
>Point 1 is subjective.
nigga please and I don't even agree with this tallis fuccboi

>>44577595
Do you know about musical form? Do you know about classical and Classical musical form? Because this shit is objectively and obviously better than verse/chorus/verse or long prog rock songs, or whatever as complex as you might find in popular music.

>>44577595
Top level argumentation.

>>44577583
If you think that all rock music is based on Riffs with a different sound then you clearly don't know a lot about it.
As to point 1, replce the word "better" with another one and maybe you are correct, since better implies subjectivity.
Also, keep in mind that rock music goes from The Beatles to Henry Cow

>>44575878
You could have at least used a different example song

>>44577650
It's different, not better. And if that's the case then every minimalist composer would be shit compared to any pop song, for example.

>>44577673
>If you think that all rock music is based on Riffs with a different sound then you clearly don't know a lot about it.
The extremely vast majority. Yes is still based on riffs. Pink Floyd too.

>As to point 1, replce the word "better" with another one and maybe you are correct, since better implies subjectivity.
I won't. I consider it objective that classical music's form is superior, and I think that a quite look at wikipedia's "musical form" page should convince you.

>>44577709
The fact is that popular music either took the most simplistic classical forms, or refused to use form.

Cyclic form is now close to two hundred years old. Prog rock and such stuff invented nothing. Formless music cannot be considered, as it has no form. All other popular forms are dumbed-down versions of classical forms, or the simple ones which were used for opera and songs - works which were mostly made for the plebeians.

>>44570287
>IDM is based on Traditional harmony
not really

>>44577751
>The extremely vast majority
Yes, maybe you are right. But classical music usually focuses in having one or two central melodies and then adding passages, dynamics or whatever.
Anyways, you can't find in Classical music stuff like Faust (the feeling of desperation and paranoia), The USA's mixed feel when hearing for the second time a specific melody after hearing the distorted version at the end of the album, or just hearing a simple and catchy pop melody.

Better is still a subjective word. If you refuse to replca it then you are being close minded about the topic.

Sorry if I fuck up my post a little bit.

>>44577942
I used "better", because popular music uses a simplified version of classical form. It's not like if they had invented it.

>>44577972
Then say it's more complex, not better. Because complexity is not the same as good.

>>44577972
Also, hip hop uses a form that isn't used in Classical music, does that mean hip hop is at the same level as classical regarding form?

Here is an idea : there is no superior genre of music, Classical is one of the multiple genres which is considered as being one of the bests ever, but it's not "superior" to the other ones.

It's more, there is no reason whatsoever that our generations have less geniuses that the ancient ones, on the contrary. Bach, Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven etc. have there equivalents today. You just have to find them. (even if we won't agree on who is a genius and who isn't, but that's an other debate).

>>44578113
And what is this form?

>>44575878
Glitch and mos of tbreakcore are less so about composing and more abut the timbral aspect of music; if you were to compare them the comparison should be based around 20th century elektonische musik and musique concrete. IDM isn't really a genre.

No idea why we're comparing apples to pears in this thread.

>>44578041
In the case of form, yes. Do you know what is form?

>>44578131
As I see it, some genres are better in some aspects of music than others.
Rock is more "artistic", you could compare some of them to painters or sculptors, for example.
Classical is more about finding the boundaries of music theory. Finding new ways of creating melodies and harmonies for example.

Is Merzbow classical music?

>>44578194
Ignorance: the post.

>>44578141
Raping over a beat.

>>44578205
b8ing hard on that one m8.

>>44578220
What must I do to become classical music?

Should making notation of your music and making (any) music then giving it away in subways for free enough?

>>44578216
see >>44578165

>Do you know what is form?

moonlight sonata is the only classical song I listen to

>>44578295
It's one of the best pieces.

You might like his Pathétique too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luo4wUQMwYY

The 20th century and 21st are the objectively the best for music, ever.

The invention of recording technology alone demonstrates this. Stop living in the past, retrogrades.

>>44578165
are you a formalist, Tallis?

>>44578164
composing timbres is still composing

>>44578347
Yes :)

>>44578209
>evading the argument.

>>44578165
According to Wikipedia, "overall structure or plan of a piece of music, and it describes the layout of a composition as divided into sections."
Complexity doesn't mean it's better.

>>44578275
Let's have a section A (the beat) repeating in the background with a section B (the raping) playing over it.

>>44578356
it's not traditional "composing".

>>44578398
>According to Wikipedia
oh lawd turny just stop

>>44578403
Yes it absolutely is. Why else do you think composers specified different parts to be played by different instruments?

>>44578359
well, that explains a lot

>>44578441
>scratching a CD and overlaying it with other scratched CD's is traditional composing
ok

also why the fuck are we referring to sounds as timbres when the sounds that are used often evade the musical concept? I realize that the origin of the therm on /mu/ is due CLT being ignorant as usual but the thing kinda got stuck because of more ignorant retards on this shitty board.

Also, you still haven't answered me why minimalist composers are better than pop musicians when it comes to music form.
And it seems that you agree that Faust and The USA are more original/creative than classical music.

>>44578545
this is not me
>>44578509

>>44578509
>organizing sound-making devices in specific arrangements is not traditional composing
ok

>>44578574
It's composing alright, it's just not "traditional composing" in the sense music was composed for 500~ years before that.

>>44578629
Pretty sure composers were organizing sound-making devices in specific arrangements 500 years ago.

>>44578545
This is me >>44578398

>>44578359
I'm waiting for your response

>>44578681
Yeah that's the thing composing "then" shares with composing "now".

>>44578398
>Let's have a section A (the beat) repeating in the background with a section B (the raping) playing over it.
You aren't too much of a clever man, aren't you?

>According to Wikipedia, "overall structure or plan of a piece of music, and it describes the layout of a composition as divided into sections."
So the point of form is to be as simple and as dumb as possible?

I'm tired of /mu/, god damn.

>>44578545
that's a really silly argument. minimalist music (well, most of it) is all about rhythm and form. it's just a form that you usually wouldn't talk about in the same way you would about a verse-chorus song or a sonata-form piece

steve reich's music for 18 instruments, for example, should be formally considered as a whole, with each short movement as a formal "section". it's based on slow and methodical harmonic changes over the entire piece. harmony is greatly simplified and melody is all but eliminated all in the service of form.

it may not be as dramatic or obvious as other forms but please don't call minimalist music simplistic or formless

>>44578426
lel

>if I have no argument its Hampus or Turny

>>44578995
Pop music is all about having a good catchy melody. Does that mean it's bad? I don't think so.
I enjoy that piece a lot, it's just that I can't stand when people claim that rock music has no artistic value, or when they say classical is superior.

>>44578876
Ellis calls us "generation wuss" - I prefer "generation mediocrity". When art can be "okay" - as long as you like it. Things don't have to be the best, the artist doesn't have to be a genius - we tolerate and adore mediocrity, as long as someone is willing to pay for it.

Why does it make it better? Because fuck! FUCK I want my music to be perfect, to be absolute genius - to be the best thing mankind has ever produced and I don't care about your populist and relativist arguments FUCK I piss on your face I shit in your mouth I rape everything you like you fucking mediocre people why the fuck don't you kill yourselves you're boring and everything you like is shit I'm fucking better oh god why is mankind so average, so lame why don't you just die already if you're going to be so boring. You don,t even have the prentension of amusing me with your mediocrity because I see it almost everywhere outside of a few people I know oh jesus why

>>44579148
The only argument anyone has to oppose to me is that "you can't prove that the sublime is superior to the mediocre".

Alright, you're right - I can't prove it. But I can piss on you and be right because I'm cool as fuck.

>>44579148
No offense, but you might have depression.

>>44579125
no that was my first post in this thread, and i don't think classical music is superior. actually i love a lot of pop and rock music. i just think minimalism is sometimes unfairly attacked and needed someone to defend it on a formal level

>>44579206
>>44579148
I'm absolutely out of here

>>44579206
I never said rock music was better than classical, just different. Some aspects of rock music are better done in rock, and some are better done in Classical. It's that simple.

>>44579245
YOU SETTLE FOR MEDIOCRITY

YOU BECOME MEDIOCRITY
(ok I'm really out now, no more replies)

>>44579275
Do you remember I said I listened to both, rock and classical?
So, does that mean I'm half mediocre half perfect? As I see it it makes me more complete

>>44579148
Best post in the whole thread. Mainly for comedy value, but still.

>>44579227
It's okay, I wasn't attacking minimalism though.

>>44579275
>>44579232
>>44579206
>>44579148
this is beyond gold... this is diamond

New thread for you to not answer the question here....

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>>44579148
kek

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>>44579275
ily tallis